Weapon Attack potion/buff Discussion [onyx apple]

You are more than welcome to re-read what I wrote about specifically how the problems are different with the original suggestions

You seem very invested in my so called lack of an opinion. I wonder which of us is actually arguing for the sake of arguing. Either way this is completely derailing the thread so I’m going to stop replying.

 

Of course, arguing without an actual opinion and backtracking where convenient is akin to trolling since it is unclear where you stand. That is not very productive.

 

can you guys settle this in DM's or something?
Massive spam to the thread with no substance and off topic

 

re-iterating what this thread could be.

 

we have less runs now so there's way more free agents floating about. now is the perfect time to make a squad actually

 

implementation of ideas #1 and 3 will effectively shut down certain classes/weaker geared players amongst these free agents.
ditto to other comments about idea #2.

 

Apple has literally been the only way for weaker player to play certain end game content.
Either to make up for their int at the earlier HT levels, or make up for their poorer gear at earlier PB level.

Buy nerfing apple accessiblity to the newer player in anyway is like pulling the ladder off after you been though.
Though it is not like we havent done anything like this before on the server.

 

I have to go with option #4. I feel like as long as we have a 90 minutes timer for PB and not a 60 minutes timer. The apples 100 Wa is needed to clear PB in 60 minutes, which was the actual OSMaplestory timer. Having the Kimmy timer on 90 minutes timer feels really wrong to me. I Hope it will get shorter over time maybe 75 min next.

 

from all the comments above, we can see the kickers and the kickees

 

A bit late to the thread but i feel like this change in particular without balance changes to classes would relatively increase the "class disparity". Decreasing wiggle room = less room for suboptimal classes to be played.

Either way PB in legends is already very far from what it normally is so at this point considering timer changes because of it's original amount wouldn't be a fair reasoning. If anything keeping the same timer and nerfing apples would have a similar effect on increasing difficulty while helping with the said class disparity.

 

You pasta people are so incredibly sweaty and lame, go outside or invite a hero to your pink bean or something

 

I'm sure all the sub 20 man pb runs are recruiting only NLs because apples are the problem.

 

PB is virtually only NLs because they don't need their monitor on to survive statue seduce. Their high damage, damage efficiency, and longer apples (which scale well too) are just icing on the cake. It's the defense pick and the offense pick in one slot.

The apple situation is different from pb though (but affects pb). 20 and lower man pb is currently carried by nl, with shad waiting in the wings. Apple changes likely wouldn't affect that balance much as there's only so many slots in the shield parties to not bring ez mode thieves. And it's not as if NL already didn't do sufficient damage w/o apple. Shad bombing also could potentially scale in if att pots are hit hard enough.

 

- It probably would be for the casual pb squads, but they would have to optimize and the same with the experienced PB squads. PB isn't supposed to be a trip to Disneyland man it's the last boss in the game. Honestly, if the squad isn't optimized and the PB runs keep failing. I don't think the game should wait for that squad to keep up no matter how many staff members you have in your pb squad.

• Either way, PB in Legends is already very far from what it normally is so at this point considering timer changes because of it's original amount wouldn't be a fair reasoning. If anything keeping the same timer and nerfing apples would have a similar effect on increasing difficulty while helping with the said class disparity.

- Stuff like mw30 isn't even giving its original stats, which is 15 % and not 13 %. When you say it's fair and suggest Onyx apples should be 80 wa I want you to know that sub 20-man squads can clear PB in just 62 minutes(this is only because the squads stop appling). changing onyx apples to 80 wa is just lame and lazy balancing.
Lame because so much time and love has gone into Amoria and Apq and players actually like that content and getting those Onyx apples to either use for bossing or to sell. 80 wa would disincentivize farming these or the price might drop.
Lazy balancing because it's just too easy. PB won't get more fun or more challenging with this. I think maybe this 80 wa change can be suggested after PB has a timer of 60 minutes one day when its too easy to clear PB when its not already have an extended timer. Also, Imagine that those x5 Bishop mules and DK mules actually have to play to just squeeze in that little extra dmg. Ballance team should aim to make changes after the OSMaplestory version of the game and stop making lazy decisions that make the game more clunky, boring and time-consuming

 

Option #5: Introduce starforce and potential into the game so everyone has so much attack that apples become a much smaller fraction of character's power

Real Option #5: Change stoppers, apples and gelts to attack% effects (in the same category as echo) so everyone (even mages) derives the same amount of benefit from them.

 

Weak Nimbus mentality

 

I’d imagine this would have issues interacting with Echo but I don’t know enough about the backend to say for sure

 

It is not even as the absolute difference still increases for classes that scale better with more wa. E.g. a stronger class that does 2 dmg vs a class that does 1 dmg both x 1.5 will just become 3 vs 1.5. The difference in damage increases from 1 to 1.5.

What % increase does is to reward people with stronger gear to allow them get even more from attack pots. Similar to nerfing/removing apples, it just punishes weaker players.

 

but u said this earlier....