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Raffle rates

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Endorphinss, Jun 12, 2023.

  1. Endorphinss
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    I wanted to make a thread on suggestions but i dont have enough data so i think its better to discuss it here.
    Also i know about the initial event feedback thread but i think it should be seperated from that topic.

    When then event came out, i managed to get 30 coupons on 2 of my (120+) characters (which are my only 120+ characters). After a very long time i personally felt like these rates were FINALLY rewarding in some way. Like always you get the useless pots, but i did manage to get maple shields, pouches, gacha tickets, it really felt like the entire day i spent on the demon castle was worth.

    The server had a reset and so did my coupons reset with it, so i managed to get another 60 raffles. Again, decent rewards, decent amount of Pcoins, the hard frustrating work of doing the tower 4 times was actually rewarded.

    After the rate changes, i decided to give it a go with another char (lv 104, less prices). since i didnt get any cs/ws or pouch 4 from my higher level characters, id figured the price pool will be pretty much the same (similarly same amount of pouches 1/2/3, rare gachas, maybe a maple shield). 30 raffles went straight into potions.

    I might have been extremely unlucky, but after decent raffles getting 30 straight bad ones feels like a massive nerf to the rates. I cant base this only on my experience, so i would like to ask the people here if they feel the same. I saw some people on my buddy list complaining about the new rates as well.

    One of the benefits of events is to be able to freshen up after months of grinding, and have the opportunity to get coins and mesos in other ways (such as raffles). raffle rates since the 100mobs/1boss method has felt very low compared to the summer fishing event and events before that.

    Long story short: Please revert the rate changes so we can enjoy the raffle pool prices :)
    Getting 30 coupons aint easy even now after people pretty much learned the demon castle, still takes alot of time that should be rewarded.
     
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    upload_2023-6-11_23-31-50.png

    All post-nerf
     
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    pretty decent if u sell 1 rare gach for 2m
     
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    In your opinion does this look like decent rates?
    14 pouches total out of 240!!! Raffles is extremely low imo. Rare gacha might seem like a decent rate, but the chances of getting anything decent from gacha are already low.
     
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    The rates don't look bad.
    Given there were people farming few dozen pcoins pretty easily before the nerf.

    If the nerf was not applied, I'd expect we could've seen a couple thousand, 4-5k pcoins enter the economy.

    Prefer there being more rare gachas, makes people influx more scrolls into the market.
     
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    most of a good profit will depend on getting good things in gacha
     
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    From raffling ws/cs, we are now raffling rare gacha.
    If this isn't shrinkflation, what is.
     
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    Pouch 1 could use a bump up to 10-15%. That'd give you around 3-4 pouches per 30x raffle spree/week with upside of getting maple shields, chairs, and other pouches. Even with a high roll that's only like 10 coins a week for an hour of content. That's not much considering it's gated weekly.

    With the nerf, a lot of hype was killed off.

    I'd suggest staff always release content weaker at launch and re-buff after gauging production. This is how things were in Anniversary 2020 and people loved it (though it was broken). There's a reason why people look fondly to those events that felt rewarding.
     
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    We are happy to hear you all are enjoying our 8th-anniversary event! Now we will make sure you will not enjoy as much lol
     
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    Why give an illusion of a chance to gain good items from the event at first place?
    getting a decent amount of coins and mesos from non bossing/farming related content during events shouls be one of the main reasons to make even release events imo.
    Thats the refreshment the player base gets from constant farming the same bosses and maps. These initial rates FINALLY after such a long time felt like participating in the new content is actually worth and even rewarding
     
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    I've had better pulls this raffle even after the adjustment than I've ever had of raffle. Don't understand why yall are throwing a hissyfit. The initial rates honestly felt too bloated, and the current rate feel solid.
     
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    I wrote that based on -ovv 240 pulls, my 30 pulls and other 60 pulls from friends.. 330 pulls feels like a decent amount to get a feel of how rewarding or not the rates are.
    The "bloated" rates feel to me just like a compensation for the very bad rates of the last events
     
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    I do agree with ovv that pouch 1 could possibly use a boost, netting 1-2 coins from it feels like shit, but it's whatever, it's free money when you get it. The rest however, just sounds like you want free coins for the sake of getting free coins. If everyone has everything, where's the value in anything?
     
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    it's not "free" if you're spending, on average, an hour or more trying to clear the tower. Even more if you're farming it from axe PQ. Pretty inefficient way to make mesos with these new rates, if that's your goal
     
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    Just git good at JQ's, have a group of friends to run with, and it's effective.
     
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    Definitely a player skill issue, I should've done all my raffles the first 2 days
     
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    Okay here's my own small comparison between pre/post nerf raffles rates.

    poor rates.png

    Roughly per coupon EV changed from 3.8m to 2.5m, although 1 WS/CS pull would have brought the average up by 800k in the post nerf draws. Even if you complete 1 tower (15 coupons) every 2 hour, the return is still pretty decent. Sort of insane scaling though when you can clear 2 towers in under an hour.
     
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