Applications of Disorder?

Just curious how some people have used this skill whether it's interaction with general mobbing some ppl like, washed sins like to lower wpn def of enemies with it or just during PT bossing debuffing the boss might help the slightest bit, I've vaguely heard ppl use it to reset HT arm AI, etc. Just trying to learn some tech since this is my first thief...

I'm also wondering "Can't use this skill on monsters already in disorder," would this make upgrading it only once a legitimate strategy difference since you could reset the enemy AI every 7 seconds instead of them being in disorder for 60 seconds at lvl20 for instance and you can't reset their AI again? I'm assuming this would mean early game disorder might not be bad for lowering enemy wpn def by 20 at max level, but late game 1 point in disorder would make you able to reset the enemy's AI every 7 seconds instead of being able to only do it once a minute. If I'm misunderstanding please clarify.

I'm currently a washed sin and doing mpq so not being too useful on the boss I was wondering if disorder lvl 1 could help reset the mobs from attacking Juliet to reaggro on you instead. It seems like it works somewhat but it's still not enough to make her survive most the time since they reaggro on her and stand directly on top of her, it only takes like 10 seconds for her to die (really hard to do R&J in general anyway, I really wouldn't go for the pendant unless you're built for stopping those mobs, even as funded unwashed chars protect can be so much trouble unless you have a setup)

I kind of just want this thread to be a disorder discussion thread though since I haven't seen much of the skill and it seems a bit untapped, cheers

 

I have a sin and not a bandit but if you didn't make a sindit wouldn't max disorder be cracked for 2nd job? I'm just thinking wouldn't savage blow (80%dmg x 6hits I believe) make disorder's effectiveness [-20wpn def x 6 (hit count) ≈ -120wpn def] effectively? If I'm interpreting that right the more hits in an attack the more effective disorder is?

Even for assassins if they're washing it'd potentially be [≈ -40wpn def w/ lucky 7] or [≈ -60wpn def w/ lucky 7 + shadow partner] if they're reaching for every bit of dmg they can get.

*Edit: I know that math doesn't add up as simply as -120wpn def, I'm just pointing out if that's how it functions, more lower damage numbers would output a higher amount than higher dmg numbers. (If you had 50wpn def enemy and your attack does [200x6 - 50wpn def] let's say it's 150x6 (900), then you had [950 - 50wpn def] as 900...with disorder [200x6 - 30wpn def] is 170x6 (1020), then [950 - 30wpn def] is 920 meaning disorder is significantly buffed by multi-hit)

If Nise wants to appear and play with REAL dmg calculations be my guest lol, I'm just theorycrafting

 

Honestly even when I'm not the washer (I have a priest too) 90% of the time there's 1 bosser, 1 protector, and 1 priest + washer or 2 priests. There have been a few times we just mesoboom'd boss with multiple washers though. I'm washing so maybe it's rare because of that but there's never been a time where we could kill the boss quick enough without protecting or mesoboom.

That's a LOT less than I was expecting, pretty disappointing, I think even with that savage blow 10x is better than disorder + savage blow 9x (unless you're close to hitting straight 1s from washing lol). 3 SP for Disorder to mess with aggro and get DS is meta ig :\

I do like the idea of making a bandit and testing disorder in practice but I'm gonna get my other characters up first which will probably take a while since I'm doing all the content along the way. Although just getting the class to max savage blow to test it would only take a day or 2 if anyone else was curious enough.