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Gachapon *problem*

Discussion in 'Rejected' started by paulkot, May 31, 2015.

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    paulkot Red Snail

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    Because i have heard many people say that Gachapon is very overpowered now i received a suggestion in my shower of thoughts that possibly you can make the Gachapon items untradeable or only account bound so can be traded to account characters. just a suggestion
     
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    But then you will hardly be able to get certain scrolls. I don't plan on making a mage, what will I do with future dark scrolls for INT / Staff / Wand?
     
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    No thank you.

    There is no "crisis." Everyone needs to calm down.
     
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    Bulba Skelegon Retired Staff

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    Depends on what you define crisis as, but I feel that some items in gach are way too common. Although I don't think this might be a good solution as there would be nothing much to put into the FMs.
     
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    If you'd do that a market crisis will surely develop anyway.

    I have seriously yet to see any form of 'crisis' to be honest...
     
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    yeah, it's only a freemarket full of worthless equips, who cares... OnionWhatever
     
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    people are blowing this way out of proportion, there is no crisis and i would argue that there's not even a problem.
     
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    So supposing these gash items were made untradable, what are mages supposed to do with shield watk scrolls? And what are warriors supposed to do with ele wands? Making them bound to account or some nonsense will only completely destroy the economy.
     
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    There's no crisis. The reason I believe that people noticed the surplus in gach items was because we had a burst in member count and activity.

    This server has been open two months and it's member count and activity has constantly been going up. In fact from what I saw there was a huge increase in activity from online people. It was 120/130. And then jumped to 150 and then 170. And then we saw a 200 member online count. Summer is coming up which means more members. More people more gach. The fact that it was so quick, in my opinion, was what caught the economy off guard. While there was still supply and demand, there was more supply than demand because so many scrolls are given through gach. Too many imo and only a certain few gach locations are over used (shrine being the prime example)

    The level increase for gach was very beneficial. More time required to gach will slow down all of this. But I foresee more issues and another possible level cap in the future. My reason:

    Nx hoarding.

    People hoard nx before joining a server. I've seen it done before. They vote on several sites and don't actually commit until they have a hoard of nx.

    There is a post somewhere of someone who isn't actually going to play until they have 500k nx. Do you honestly think he's the only one?

    When the servers age hits a certain point, those people will start to come out and it will take a HUGE hit on the economy. I have no solutions for this besides a nx limit per account of like 100k. There is no reason to hoard nx by anything more. Gach is the main nx sink hole and 30k can be spent on that alone in one bundle. No one needs 500k nx worth of gach in one blow. I'd go so far to say that 100k nx is plenty.

    Unreadable gach is a no-go. I mean items like branch nose I guess but still I'm against.

    You could also set a limit to how many times someone can gach a day? Perhaps according to their level range (not seeing this and don't think its a great idea, only making the higherevels more advantageous) Or mayb per day per gach location to make other gach used more?
     
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    Nein. All these suggestions that talk about limiting transactions/items in favor of a healthier economy must know absolutely nothing about economics.

    The higher the velocity of the meso, (the more transactions that are made) the healthier the economy.
     
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    We don't want too many scrolls in circulation not only cause of economy but because of the circulation of better equipment. Having good equips is good and all but if it's like handing it to someone because there are just that many, that hurts the game overall.
     
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    Due to the fact that there is no way to differentiate the origin of an item, and an untradeable status would apply to an item regardless of origin, this would not be possible without negative repercussions (e.g. a scroll that comes from either gachapon, a quest, or a mob drop would both be untradeable). Cash shop storage also only works for cash items. We are however, looking into ways (and through the many, many threads about the issue) to make the value of gachapons in different areas more evenly distributed.
     
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    Does this mean custom gachapons? :O
     
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    I have a good idea maybe make the scrolls and stuff received from gachapon untradeable but add the scissors of karma in the cash shop so they have to spend more money to get them off their inventory maybe.
     
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    I dont understand why people think gach is like a meso dispenser, who the hell is buying all of your pumpkins pies?
     
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    People actually do buy pumpkin pies. They are similar to grilled cheese, and I've sold all the pies I've got.
     

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