Skele Maps

Kimmy · Nov 23, 2015

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The way mini dungeons work (believe it or not) is actually really lazy. In the map.wz there's about 30 clones of same map (very friendly to size) and code would just send you to next MapID if someone else is in the other. Yes, the current code doesn't do this (correct once again), but I am pretty sure its because we never bothered since the other mini dungeons barely get used, so people can just CC.

Though I am also not 100% sure if the older mini dungeons even do have it. However, its surely the case for the newer mini dungeons, including the Skelegon one Neckson added at a later version (Around 83?).

Clown · Nov 23, 2015

Kimberly said: ↑

Auto is correct.

The way mini dungeons work (believe it or not) is actually really lazy. In the map.wz there's about 30 clones of same map (very friendly to size) and code would just send you to next MapID if someone else is in the other. Yes, the current code doesn't do this (correct once again), but I am pretty sure its because we never bothered since the other mini dungeons barely get used, so people can just CC.

Though I am also not 100% sure if the older mini dungeons even do have it. However, its surely the case for the newer mini dungeons, including the Skelegon one Neckson added at a later version (Around 83?).
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Only just after the halloween event when everyone was hunting pigheads all 4 pig minidungeons were full ;p. No need to change them indeed. And as a start (if it gets implemented) I feel like +4 skele maps would be fine already too.

Ghost. · Nov 23, 2015

Kimberly said: ↑

Auto is correct.

The way mini dungeons work (believe it or not) is actually really lazy. In the map.wz there's about 30 clones of same map (very friendly to size) and code would just send you to next MapID if someone else is in the other. Yes, the current code doesn't do this (correct once again), but I am pretty sure its because we never bothered since the other mini dungeons barely get used, so people can just CC.

Though I am also not 100% sure if the older mini dungeons even do have it. However, its surely the case for the newer mini dungeons, including the Skelegon one Neckson added at a later version (Around 83?).
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So it would be possible to add skele mini dungeons? I think we can all agree this is necessary as more and more people get to 4th job.

Zeretius · Nov 23, 2015

Ghost. said: ↑

I'm not sure the code for the skele mini dungeon is in this version so it would have to be custom. But this should definitely be considered because the skele problem is only going to get worse.
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I think it would be a good idea and the poll is also leaning towards it. As much as people want to argue training with a bishop here is currently the best in the game, sure you can go to different spots and receive like 10% lower exp per hour but what I've noticed is if people aren't getting the best exp they can, then they simply just don't train...

"It's like if you had the option to make $20/hr or $15/hr but only 4 people can make $20/hr and the rest get $15/hr, sure if you need the money you can get $5 dollar less an hour or you can just wait to get $20 an hour."

Lionheart · Nov 23, 2015

I just think the last thing this server needs is more skeles. Too many people already train there; their drops are pretty much worthless and only NPC value.

It just grinds my gears when I hear people complaining something isn't "optimal". It's that same line of thinking that simultaneously drives the community apart, and also drives people insane to quitting when they nolife too hard. No one wants to help an alliance member PQ because they get 60% an hour grinding but maybe only 45% an hour doing the PQ. No one wants to 3-man skeles cause they'd get 10% an hour, but 2-man they get 12% an hour. etc

Nerf mage aoe, nerf HS, nerf skeles, buff other areas, but for the love of god no more skeles please.

thuyzinho · Nov 23, 2015

Sucre said: ↑

Wow that mini dungeon is literally the same map, but as mini dungeon. However mini dungeons dont work like that. There can only be one party per channel in a mini dungeon, so that would basically turn it from 4 maps to 8.
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i believe 8 instead 4 maps is good. better than nothing

Shrek · Nov 23, 2015

Lionheart said: ↑

I just think the last thing this server needs is more skeles. Too many people already train there; their drops are pretty much worthless and only NPC value.

It just grinds my gears when I hear people complaining something isn't "optimal". It's that same line of thinking that simultaneously drives the community apart, and also drives people insane to quitting when they nolife too hard. No one wants to help an alliance member PQ because they get 60% an hour grinding but maybe only 45% an hour doing the PQ. No one wants to 3-man skeles cause they'd get 10% an hour, but 2-man they get 12% an hour. etc

Nerf mage aoe, nerf HS, nerf skeles, buff other areas, but for the love of god no more skeles please.
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no

Clown · Dec 13, 2015

Poll is closed, seems like the majority agrees that more skele maps would be really nice.

LF>>more skele maps

Jaikor · Dec 15, 2015

Adding more Skelegon maps isn't the right answer but rather, adding alternative training mobs. Someone has mentioned earlier that temple of time is a good alternative, it isn't as packed as skelegons and the spawn rate is pretty well off. The game needs more variety so balancing spawn rates of other mobs would make them a viable training map in comparison to Skelegons. It would solve the problem of overpopulated training maps and induce more "exploration".

Zeretius · Jan 3, 2016

Going to bump this, Just for the fact that Skele maps are getting unbearably packed.

Also people holding maps for hours on mules because how @mapowner works. (not going to lie i have done this too) It's just not fair.

Pina · Jan 4, 2016

+1 for ulu city pleaseeee

dumbledore · Jan 5, 2016

I like the ulu-city idea too

ChiefBandit · Jan 5, 2016

Wtf is ulu city? Dont remember anything named ulu city in gms.

Clown · Jan 5, 2016

ChiefBandit said: ↑

Wtf is ulu city? Dont remember anything named ulu city in gms.
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I dont remember it being in ems either, though you can check it on youtube. Seems kinda cool, but I feel it needs balancing if it were to be added.

Kimmy · Feb 15, 2016

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Most likely going put the Skelegon dungeons in the next .wz files (main topic here). While I doubt we need 50 instances of skelegons (what Neckson uses) I think I am fine with adding 4 more (1 dungeon each channel), and maybe increase if we get bigger. I hate adding channels for just 1 map, since it splits the server, so I prefer this much more.

Difference between a dungeon and the real Skeelgon map (done by Neckson):

-There's a 2 hour timer. If this exceeded, you are kicked out automatically. No, I will not remove it.
-You can only get in with your party, like the other dungeons.

Some argue that waiting for a map was part of GMS, while other point out how waiting for a map is just not a nice thing to do. In GMS people didn't really waited for a map; they kill steal in the map because there was no punishment for KSing, unlike here. Therefor, I currently have the impression that waiting just became a thing here due to mapowner, so I want solve the problem.

For those curious: Skelegon dungeons (and other new dungeons such as Nest golems) came out in v0.67

Clown · Feb 15, 2016

Kimberly said: ↑

Most likely going put the Skelegon dungeons in the next .wz files (main topic here). While I doubt we need 50 instances of skelegons (what Neckson uses) I think I am fine with adding 4 more (1 dungeon each channel), and maybe increase if we get bigger. I hate adding channels for just 1 map, since it splits the server, so I prefer this much more.

Difference between a dungeon and the real Skeelgon map (done by Neckson):

-There's a 2 hour timer. If this exceeded, you are kicked out automatically. No, I will not remove it.
-You can only get in with your party, like the other dungeons.

Some argue that waiting for a map was part of GMS, while other point out how waiting for a map is just not a nice thing to do. In GMS people didn't really waited for a map; they kill steal in the map because there was no punishment for KSing, unlike here. Therefor, I currently have the impression that waiting just became a thing here due to mapowner, so I want solve the problem.

For those curious: Skelegon dungeons (and other new dungeons such as Nest golems) came out in v0.67
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UR THE BEST <3

beamcasting · Feb 15, 2016

i think that i like how things are right now.
i really like to wake up in the morning and get a skele map so people train with me. more skele maps people will be more apart. giving me less motivation to grind

Clown · Feb 15, 2016

beamcasting said: ↑

i think that i like how things are right now.
i really like to wake up in the morning and get a skele map so people train with me. more skele maps people will be more apart. giving me less motivation to grind
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Ill grind with you buddy =D

NatteHond · Feb 15, 2016

Just train at ToT ffs
It got added for a reason

Fredrik · Feb 15, 2016

This is the best news I've had in a while now!
I could make a long post about how frustrated I've been trying to find free maps, and how counter productive the whole concept is of having only 4 optimal grinding spots, but I'm sure there have been a lot of posts like that so I'm just gonna leave it at:
THANK YOU! PLEASE DO THIS <3

(always looking for bishops to grind with, feel free to add/msg me^^)

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