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Advice for HP washing an Archer.

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by Conjuring, Dec 22, 2018.

  1. Conjuring
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    If you're not even tryna survive HT, which you can do at 16x even without washing, I wouldn't even bother washing at all tbh.
    You could go to zak and be productive as soon as you even hit 4th job without washing, and surviving an Anego slap would be insanity washing- she just needs to stay pinned and that's the tradition. Same with BF.
    I don't see much reason to wash at all nowadays unless Toad is on your target list. Even the bosses in Neo Tokyo are avoidable by jumping/ducking.
    There are even earlier examples of this Such as Snack Bar which an unwashed level 50 glass cannon could survive by actively bossing how it was meant

    Now, for less chance of dying, (surviving the occasional/accidental 2-hit from tough bosses), a little washing would be needed but I would never recommend more than 50-80 base int + crappy int equips for that purpose

    Basically,
    survive most anything but Toad= don't bother with more than cheap int equips or even washing at all
    survive that same stuff + more cushion for an occasional 2-hit= a little base int and int equips
    survive toad= 150 or so base int + decent int equips
     
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    Some people don't want to die in two hits, and some were pre- monsterbook. Some people still believe you should wash.

    It all boils down to this though- "must" is entirely subjective here. As I said (kind of) previously, must could mean "for the ability to take two hits" "the ability to tank more than HT" "must in order to make HT easier" "must in order to use cheaper options"
    I'll even go out on a limb here and say that it's entirely wrong for those guides to say that you "must" because a guide doesn't have the ability to ask "why?"
     
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    Washing is Optional, you do NOT need to Wash to run HT.
    Washing makes it so you can boss COMFORTABLY, please notice i said COMFORTABLY. no one is asking you to HP Wash. Its just the trend here in ML

    • If you dont want to add base int, then all you need is INT GEAR and wear it when you level. That way you will get alittle bit of washing WITHOUT adding base INT.
    • Zhelm(17int)/Wand(6int)/Earrings(8int)/Cape(10int)/Shield(6int)/Bathrobe(18-20int)/RaccMask(6int)/Dep Star(5int) = reach over 76 INT TOTAL.
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      This is the
    - Casual Washing with this concept
    - You can have 40 base int + 80 INT Gear = 120 TOTAL INT (1 wash a level)
    -If you do NOT want to add Base INT, then just use your int gear to get 60 INT TOTAL, and get 1 wash every 2 lvls :3 (this is not bad at all, for casual washing)
    • Monster Book Tier 10 Ring
      - Provides +10all stats / 1000 hp / 500 mp (this helps with ALOT of washes)
    • Ellin Ring Questline
      - Provides +1 all stat / 100 hp / 100 mp (easy quick quest for 100 more hp)
    Real Facts: you can run HT with 3.5k HP + HB (goes over 5.6k) and be fine. The only way you will die, is if your DK doesnt HB you right away when you get dispelled. You do NOT have to HP Wash
     
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    I Wish you good luck <3 , doing it this way, does not require alot of nx!
     
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    How do you survive during main body with 5.6k HP when wings/legs/tail are still alive?

    Also ConjuringConjuring what fishy said is pretty much spot on. However, even if you don't wanna wash, it doesn't hurt to get some basic int gears early on like zakum helmets, deputy star, monster book ring. They will increase both your damage and slightly increase your base mp each level up.
     
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    You either Learn to jump attack, or you go top left and hit the head instead. the leg slam cant reach the top
    OR you can hang on the rope until leg/tail dies. of course, the more you level the more hp youll gain. just remember BARELY WASHING, youll reach enough HP by lvl 155 to tank leg/tail after HB.

    people are forgetting people did it this way 8 years ago, because no one had the money to buy resets for washing. NLs/BMs relied on lvl 64 weapons that gave HP and pumped into HP, and also relied on their dk to HB at the right time
     
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    But, can't the wings give other parts of horntail (like head A) an attack buff that makes it hit more than 5600 magic damage? Or does it not work like this in maplelegends?
     
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    The wings of HT in MapleLegends do not give attack buffs to other parts. So the most damaging attack is by the Tail of HT. At a maximum of 7.6k damage. Which can be avoided by being on the most top platforms. After tail, seduce is the most dangerous. But every serious HT group has ways to mitigate that.

    I really like the discussion went for hp washing being optional. Cause it is true. If you don't have any plans to kill Horntail, you don't need to bother with it.
     
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    Hi MidnightMidnight :heart:

    Sadly, I'd be lying if I said I've ever tested this and know the answer for sure. I only truly know HT from the PoV of a bishop, and as a bishop the attack buff to the heads wouldn't matter much anyway -- the only time in which the heads are a serious threat is when I expect dispel from left arm/middle head for one of those fatal dispel + head-attack combos, and that would oneshot a mage (who is unwashed) either way.
    That said, 7k+ damage (such as the damage I take from tail's attack or when I tank touch damage from legs) generally feels very noticeable to me in that it *is* rather taxing hp/mp-wise, and I don't believe I ever took damage of that scale from a head's magic attack... which does indeed go in line with Sam_VoshSam_Vosh saying that wings do not buff HT's attacks in ML.

    But I stress: I did not actually test that properly.
    Sorry :')

    If you wanna talk about seduces, dark wyverns, dispels, attack animations, timers and deep philosophical subjects of the heart and mind, however... you know where to find me dolleyesmush
     
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