Information Anniversary 2020 Skill Changes [Explained]

It seems to me a good balance, but I see the buccaneer on your boards and I feel sad (low dpm) despite the improvements they gave them, playing 2 years in bucc I saw those changes, I proposed modifying the stun masteri to an additional constant critical% to enhance them in bosses, they told me that it is impossible, I do good damage training used SE to the second hit by the stun but in HT or other bosses I am a simple pirate who only use my clean damage base for a difference of a DK the % that a critical using SE in barrange or other attack is too low.
On the other hand, it motivates me to continue breaking schemes with my pirate on the server and show them that a buccaneer can also get whites if he wants to.

 

Curious what the reasoning is that Night Lords have lower damage than Corsairs in these changes, when Night Lords are, as far as I know, supposed to be the premier single target DPS class, especially seeing as the only time NL's are as strong as depicted are when we have SE, otherwise we're extremely weak (ie, while training). I played NL for many years, both on private servers and on the official maple server, and from my experience almost any other class, with some exceptions, can train faster up the levels, due to mobbing skills that NL's just don't get access to. We have 1 skill, at 3rd job, that we can use to mob with, that's it. All other skills are just self buffs and minor utility, and some janky other skills that are semi-useless, with the exception of Haste. Meanwhile, Corsairs get a mobbing skill from lvl 30 onwards.

Maybe I'm missing something here though, as I understand these calculations are in the context of bossing only. I only bring my point up because of the argument for Marksman vs Bowman.

 

RIP heros loool whats the point of even maining one now T-T

 

If you've played as a sair you'll know how annoying/difficult it is to dismount and never lose your ship in a boss battle. If you lose your ship, your DPM is cut tremendously. In practice, it's really hard to not lose your ship at all in most boss battles. So when you're on cooldown, your damage will suffer. And even when you're on your ship, you can't just constantly attack because you have to dismount and remount and that takes time, whereas an NL can just hold a button and attack nonstop.

NLs can achieve optimal DPM while holding a button down with their high avoidability + shifter.

There's a reason you see 10 NLs for every 1 sair

 

Interesting read, time to remake Corsair.

 

- Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Corsairs have other mobbing skills they can use off ship? NL's can't use their 1 mobbing skill unless they have space as well, so they can't mob in every map unless they "herd" mobs around. Its irritating to say the least. Grinding an NL is probably non-existent on this server, people probably just pay to leech to high levels, or leech themselves (what I plan to do) because its just that hard.
- Taunt is borderline useless. You don't even level that skill until 168+ or so.
- Meso up is fine, but it doesn't really attribute to much.
- Alchemist just got nerfed...its fine though.
- High avoid is required, we have extremely low health and HP washing is basically mandatory if NL's want to boss run

I'm not saying NL's should be head and shoulders above any other damage, I'm just saying NL is probably one of the most funding intensive classes in the entire game, requiring HP washes and good equipment, plus SE, only to come second to a class with better mobbing and better survivability. There's basically no reason to go NL when you can go Corsair (except for nostalgia), when in my opinion each class should have something about them that makes you want to play them, with out being just ridiculous. Overall, I think the balancing is great, I just don't agree with this one part. Either way, I'm just voicing my opinion as an NL main of 12 years, who's played on multiple private servers.

 

You do realize it's harder to wash a corsair than an NL right? It takes -16mp per wash whereas NLs lose -12mp per wash, so saying that it's harder to wash an NL than a sair is factually incorrect. With the same amount of INT, a sair will have significantly less HP than an NL at the same level.

Also, sairs have worse surviavbility, because they have lower avoidability, no shifter, and have to have 100% ship uptime to match NL DPM (which again, in practice, is unlikely).

And even with all that, sairs still do less damage than NL without SI, which is like 90% of the time because there aren't many bucc mains.

 

I played my buccaneer in EMS before BB and I was top 3 of the old school pirates, I am not an expert but I know this class well, if you want any suggestion with pleasure I will contribute with my experience

 

??? Have you played a corsair before 4th job pre BB? Seriously. Again, ship is easy to break and corsairs have very LOW avoid compared to NL's whom can literally boss anywhere.(have fun at TOAD, or nameless) kekw. Also nx is free so every ranged dpm washes why wouldn't you.... not to mention; battleship has dismount and is slow as hell, noway you can keep octo and gallo up not mention corsairs dont have any party buffs outside of mw and outdamage with si the list goes on man. The buff is not gamebreaking at all and NL's will still be fine cool to see the xbows get some love so i can finally stop dropping xbow scrolls ^.^ .

 

No where did I say NL's are HARDER to wash than sairs. I am not that versed in sairs, so I can't comment on that. I just know that if you don't wash as an NL, you basically cannot boss until very late levels, period. Its still easier to mob on sairs and train to higher levels with less money than an NL.

You're completely ignoring mobbing in all of your replies. I concede that having a ship mode makes the class more skill based. However, the way I read his original post, he takes that in to account, and with mounting and dismounting they still do more damage.

As for SI, I wonder why buccs are so weak, it seems like they might need some love to give them more upside to play, and bring SI more often.

We can agree to disagree, I'm just saying that in my opinion, if NL's have so little mobbing, overall utility to provide, and low survivability, they should have the upside of single target DPS. In my eyes, sairs have the upside of mobbing skills from level 30, and as a result can level up much more easier and pain free, and with out the near necessity that NL's have for leeching. This is opinion based though, and we're both entitled to harbor our own opinions.

 

I mean, you were comparing sairs and NL's in your entire post, and you were saying that NLs should have #1 DPM because they are hard to wash. I'm just saying that sairs are also hard to wash.

And the thing about mobbing. If you're washing seriously as either a sair or an NL, you're probably going to have at least 120 base int, and so it doesn't really matter what mobbing skills you have access to at level 30 because you're not going to be able to self train anyway with 150+ int.

 

you forgot about mage attacker dps.

 

I'm just a bit confused by what's meant, saying that the graphs don't showcase the Shadower's full potential. Does Assassinate get buffed during weapon cancel phases? So, the graphs showcase DPS during non-cancel periods, and then the Shadower receives a buff during cancels? I'm a baby Shad not quite ready for bossing yet haha

Yeah based on this data I'm curious to hear what the 'class identity' of the Hero is supposed to be. Low single target dps but good cleavers with high survivability? Is this enough of a draw, when DKs and Paladins both have superior damage, buffs, and ultimate/AoE attacks?

 

you guys are funny man

buffing nls without relying on se the most broken class in game

then giving corsairs the highest dps dummy target class a 20% dmg buff when some bosses don't even get to hit the ship like neo tokyo

meanwhile pepega class like buccandeer receives no changes and people can still abuse them with a second computer

 

Assassinate deals more damage the longer you've been in Dark Sight beforehand. Normally you'd still want to get out of Dark Sight as soon as possible (because spamming Nate this way still yields higher DPM), but during cancels you can charge up Dark Sight for a bigger Nate when it wears off.

 

Yeah I'm maining a hero, and it feels like we're decent at everything but not near the top in anything. And honestly that's okay, but at least it would be nice to have a good party skill. I think if rage were buffed to 23-25 attack, that would at least give us a decent party buff that can't just be replaced by an npc-purchased cider.