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Ballance changes to Shaolin Temple

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by philip, Jun 22, 2021.

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    I think solo is around 90m eph, and duo is about 120-130m eph. I haven't 5-6'd as much since the changes so someone could correct my numbers if they're off.
     
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    yeah sounds, like what you would get before the december changes
     
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    Tbh I would like to have you test it again I don't think you would get more that 120m/hr
     
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    Yeah, pretty sure it wont happen they drop PE's already and the issue isn't mana bulls.
     
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    I decided not to implement EPH because I felt that if I did it would diminish the point of the thread and people would miss the point of potentially buffing Elquins. With more infomation it would be more interesting to read this and I do regret not adding the low meso earned an hour for 5-6F, which was a good point.
     
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    Yeah I come HT, when are you hosting?
     
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    Which is absurdly high. In my opinion that makes it perfectly valid for the spot to not also be financially beneficial.
     
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    Yeah if you are lv. 190+ training with someone else around lv 190+ with good gear and you call for echo every 40 min. This is not something everyone can do. I think you should go test it out.
     
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    So what are your EPHs here, I know you're a 200 f/p (although lvl barely matters once you 3 hit)

    I haven't trained there in a while but I know I'd definitely get in the 100 - 120m eph range as a 169 Ice Lightning and pretty much 3 hit all (especially with Ifrit on) I'm just short of 100% 3 hit and haven't had a gear upgrade in 20 levels or so

    In my opinion this exp is rather nuts still. the place just feels terrible to grind at and I much rather move to Obv 4, Obv 2 or stay at petri.

    I am HP washing the mage tho so pot cost is less of an issue

    In a way both hp pots and mp pots are the issue for you, considering you use magic guard and 80% of your dmg is taken in the MP pool
     
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    Yeah depends on your partners level and tma too, but issue isn't so much the exp its the terrain and the amounts of hp pots used
     
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    Well, if it isn't about the eph, just go somewhere else with more comfortable terrain and less pot cost :)
     
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    Yes, lets withold information on purpose so it fits your narrative better. :)

    You need to include this information as grinding is not just pot spend and money earned, but also the experience gained. By witholding how OP the exp (still) is at Shaolin, you're effectively ignoring that part, while it is a main driver for grinding there.
     
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    lol, you are a funny guy, but not really the point of the thread xd You shouldn't run away from all of your problems you know
     
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    Its not about the eph
    I don't understand how you think I am withholding information on purpose when I just said I forgot to test it. it is commonly known that there are less to no actual income from 5-6F. Tell me my friend do you play a mage and what level is your mage if you have one, because the exp isn't op its fine and its end game content, which not anyone can or should be able to do, so yeah it might seem op for you. and I don't discuss the eph because I don't think its relevant to the matter of how many pots you use. Please don't accuse me of anything I just explained myself
     
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    EPH and pot cost kinda go hand in hand
     
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    I dont know how anyone hasn't mentioned this yet, but the real problem is that you are using barbs + mana bulls in the fist place. If you just use ginseng ales for mana then you wouldn't need to buy HP pots at all.
     
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    See, you can't just say "It's not about the eph" when complaining about a map.
    There's always going to be a trade-off between money gained, exp gained, effort and requirements to access a map.

    In this case, shaolin is slightly lackluster when it comes to effort and money gained, but in return, the exp gained is huge. You can say its okay because it's endgame content, but non-endgame can pull EPH there that is honestly laughably high
     
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    Will keep it in mind if I do a another forum post.
     
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    All I heard you say were I get 150m eph and ToT is better, but I know now that I should implement eph and meso gain, but it is a lot of data that has to be collected to prove a simple point, too many pots are being consumed and the map is more clunky than ever before.
     
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