Thief Blu's Full Guide For Shadowers

Great guide has been very helpful in my measly shadower career! One thing I wanted to bring up was a discussion on the recent (2020 Christmas patch) nerfs to taunt which gave taunt a +40% damage reduction. Do you think it is still worth it to put points into taunt early 4th job rather than maxing shifter and assassinate first?
(I asked this on your stream yesterday but figured I’d bring it up on the guide itself)

 

For the Band of Thieves route, the SP distribution for first few levels is not correct. CBs cannot put 1 SP into Meso Guard right away at level 71 as Meso Guard requires Level 3 Chakra in order to start putting SP onto it. Therefore, the correct BoT route goes

Level 70: +1 Meso Explosion [1]
Level 71: +3 Chakra [3]
Level 72: +1 Assaulter [1], +1 Band of Thieves [1], +1 Meso Guard [1]
Level 73: +3 Band of Thieves [4]
Level 74: +3 Band of Thieves [7]
Level 75: +3 Band of Thieves [10]
Level 76: +3 Band of Thieves [13]
Level 77: +3 Band of Thieves [16]
Level 78: +3 Band of Thieves [19]
Level 79: +3 Band of Thieves [22]
Level 80: +3 Band of Thieves [25]
Level 81: +3 Band of Thieves [28]
Level 82: +2 Band of Thieves [MAXED], +1 Meso Guard [2]

You max BoT at level 82 rather than 81 instead due to having to put 3 points in chakra for level 71 just to unlock meso guard for level 72.​

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I'd just skip the 33 second MG and max BoT at lvl 81 instead if I'd take that route.

 

Band of Thieves doesn't kick in until you can hit at least 5 monsters with it. At Level 1 BoT, you can only hit 2 mobs and deal 110% damage which is just very awful.

The main reason you put 1 point in ME in the beginning is so that while you max out Band of thieves during your early levels of 3rd job training, you won't have to be stuck spamming SB until you can start hitting more mobs on BoT and every former 2nd job bandit knows, training with SB is absolutely painful and absolutely very slow leveling.
With Meso Explosion, it is your "pseudo" mobbing skill until you get a higher leveled BoT. But more importantly, Meso Explosion bypasses accuracy checks as well as ignoring all enemy defenses which means that CBs at level 70 can just go straight to Elderwraith despite the 25 level deficit meaning that you will be gaining extremely fast exp far faster than just going Full BoT at level 7x. The cost to meso bombing at early levels is fairly low due to lower amount of exp needed to level up and gaining massive amounts of exp from Elderwraiths.
By the time you are level 80 after quick grind with meso bombing, you now can hit 6 mobs with Level 25 BoT and therefore BoT now takes it from there as your mobbing skill.

When I bombed Elderwraiths , iirc I spent < 8m mesos just to get from 70-80. I don't have the exact values because this is long ago when me myself when BoT route.

You want to put 1 meso guard because for BoT route your grinding spot is at CDs which by far has the biggest EXP to HP ratio but CDs hit very hard like almost 1.5k touch damage similar to kid mannequins which is far more than 60% of your health. Without meso guard, its very easy to get killed in CDs if you don't constantly pot to more than 60% of your health.

 

Yea I guess if you don't wash alot the MG can be useful there but recasting that every 33 secs is pretty awful.

 

Its not about the washing, its about the mobs that CBs train.

Pre BoT (if you moderately wash then this doesn't matter), CBs go against elderwraith or himes with priest at early levels and by far, CBs straight up die without Meso Guard online from a single attack against them but with Meso Guard, they can survive up to 2 hits.

As I said, CBs train at Taipei 101 after ME and Taipei 101 mobs deal absurds amount of touch damage like damages like over 1.5k on mannequins. If you don't have MG even if you wash, you will be burning pots like lightning. Regardless of HP washing, you still will be burning a pot per attack from a mob. 1 touch damage from a mob forces you to pot. With meso guard, this makes so that it takes 2-3 hits to be able to pot therefore allowing you to stay in your training map as much as you can without going back to repotting.

 

Ok I'm going to be honest, not only did I go the low dexless build, but decided to want to go the "Band of Thieves" build for nostalgia while leaving my base DEX at 40 and my base STR low and obtain more DEX/STR from gear while pumping fresh AP into LUK. The main scrolls that will be used are DEX scrolls though.

No idea if I should pump fresh AP into STR, but I'm just obtaining DEX/STR from gear right now and it seems to be doing good so far. Actually, did a zakum run a few hours ago and got a Str 16, Dex 16, Int 17, Luk 17, Acc 19! Hopefully, the ellin earrings will boost my stats if the scrolling goes well! (Currently Level 50 Bandit right now) (SinDit Build)

There's other equips that give me "Weapon Attack" and what not, but these are ones that affect either my STR/DEX, LUK, or all.

Your guide seems to be holding up well boss!

 

I am a new player, I read your guide late. I am currently level 29, my question is that max Lucky Seven, by going to 2job, will it not affect my damage or something similar? It is my big question, since I want to use your AP in my 2job :c

 

Skills from the first job do not accumulate for the second job? Or once it reaches level 30, the previous abilities no longer matter. Excuse the questions, I want to learn . Thks for help

 

You can't save up skill points into 2nd job, you have to use all sp up to lvl 30 before the job instructor lets you job advance. I wouldn't say the skills from first job don't matter. You'll still be using lucky seven/double stab until you can increase the skill level for mastery and savage blow to a decent amount

 

oh man, tysm<3

 

Hey Blu, how much HP do you have currently? I'm at level 130 with 7.3K clean, not sure if that's enough

 

Even without washing anymore, you'll be fine to tank the touch damage of Pink Bean with HB. So it's possible to do all content in the game with that much, any more is just if you feel like it. I wouldn't stress about it given rings and event gear bolstering it further.

 

Amazing

 

should i put sp into shield mastery instead of chakra? cus i dont think ill ever use it

 

I use chakra a lot... that skill makes me use literally 0 health pots..

 

Shield mastery is completely worthless unless you're using a timeless thief shield (dkhan has a max of 6 wep def), and timeless thief shield is not worth it at all unless you're going to make a perfect shield, which is almost certainly not going to be the case.

 

Great post, really got me into choosing shadower as my next main

Just wanna do some careful planning before I start on my journey, you mentioned that it is possible to aim for 6.7k HP clean with mediocre INT gears and no added base INT. However, I did some rough calculations and it seems like the average additional MP required for each level from level 1-160 is 10.5 MP which translates into 100-110 int required for each level. The following are my calculations:


Am I missing something from the calculations or by 6.7k HP clean, you meant it includes gears with HP like monster rings and etc.? Sorry I'm a noob when it comes to HP washing