Important Boss Equips: Removing 'One-of-a-kind' (Feedback Thread)

DON'T RUIN MY MUSHROOM GAME WAAAA

 

Full support. Not sure why so many are opposing this.

But m-muh nostalgia - not a legit reason lol.

Not a problem. Just NPC them and split the mesos.

All this does is make the process a bit less tedious. If I were buying helms I'd already be prepared to scroll every single good stat one that drops, so it's not much of a change.

SUPPORT THIS CHANGE, FOOLS!
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I think many of these sentiments have already been covered, but as is I'm inclined to vote 'no' at the moment. I believe this would become needlessly confusing and comples if it werent applied in an all or nothing fashion, so my view is of an overall sense, between zakum, scarga, cwk, and ht (nt2 when?)

I feel this change would have a negative effect on early game players trying to get a zhelm, as now they have to compete with the runners themselves for those same helm drops. Early bossers might have a zak or a scar at this point, scrolled decently but likely to want upgrades. The difficulty/risk of getting a chance to upgrade at this stage depends currently on if current helm is a zak or a scar (cant scroll zak if already using zak) and ability to harvest scarga helms. If this restriction were removed, it might help midgame players trying to scroll zak, but it increases the opportunity cost of selling the helm to another player (have to put up with the buyer, potentially delay runs while waiting for them to arrive, pot, debrief) when those helms could be used by a friendly instead. It wont raise the incentive for higher level players to run unless self scrolling/running with friends, as it still isnt profitable with this change.

Cwk would become even more of a mess with this change imo, as currently mons arent as high in demand. A lower new player count doesnt help, but players either already have a good-decent mon they dont have the guts to chaos yet, use htp (even NLs and sairs have been embracing the htp), or already have their endgame mon. If mons suddenly "reopened for business" and you could carry multiples, it's not going to make more buyers, as it's not far in they can join runs themselves to roll for loot.

If the end goal is to stimulate economy by increasing demand for helm and chaos scrolls, this change could work, but if just trying to change the level of profitability of runs, I dont think it will help.

Bossing has always been designed as a form of raw meso sink, putting resources into it for its goods and xp (hp, mp, att pots). As these costs are all lowered (people wash for cheaper pots, and who uses apples in this age?) and people are running more than ever, these methods are forcefully compared to leeching methods both in terms of xp, and profit.
I feel selling items can be necessary to keep up in comparison to leech/summon farm methods, but the underlying issue is that we are a leech dominated server that has overshadowed bossing (always has been meme here).

 

How about the idea of adding a unique equip for krexel? My boy gets no love and this would be a new service to sell for meso income.

Alternatives: Increase the exp, drops, or something to make this boss more appealing.

 

casual farming meso in fm no using mages

 

the problem of the economy is the oversupply of scrolls. the server has the lowest rate/price compared to other servers. even newbies have a hard time selling them. it ends up glutting their inventory and after a time decides to throw them. its a bad idea to nerf gached scrolls. the best way is making the scrolls have npc store value say 50k to 100k. that way you hit 3 birds in 1 stone. the price of scrolls go up, infuse money to the economy then solve the newbies' problem of struggling to get pots.

 

Make chaos drop from Drumming Bunnies. And white scrolls from HT. And you can tackle #1,2,3 together at a go since they will become ‘common’ scrolls.

Don’t flame me pls

 

Make HT drop no books unless its killed within 1 hour pog

 

When I was looking for a maplestory server to play, one of the reasons I chose maplelegends was the low rates.
Ignoring the leeching meta (other players participating in it doesn't mean I have to), I enjoyed how I could play at my own pace and feel rewarded from my efforts while leveling up without feeling that the game was too easy.

Removing the 'one-of-a-kind' label for boss equips would make it feel like it's too easy to scroll good EQs for me.
Context: I'm an active but fairly casual player who doesn't sell leech on a mage (I've only ever leeched friends for free), and not involved in any boss runs (cwkpq, zak, ht etc) so I don't have a steady stream of income. Majority of my EQs are mediocore, yet even someone like me feels that this would make it too easy to get EQs like a well scrolled zakum helmet.

You mentioned, and I agree that this would really be a drastic departure from the old school experience --- I'd really much rather things remain the same. It just feels very weird for me as an old school player coming back for the nostalgia (Off-Topic: I would be happy to see elemental wand penalties come back into play even tho I'm a bishop and my damage will drop, as it'll bring us back to the good old days of seeing bishops holding bladestaves & pyogo mushrooms instead of all luk wand/staves being redundant in the server. NGL this is something slightly disappointing for me in ML).

What I also don't like is how this reduces the incentive for people to bring in others (especially new players) who could use the zak helms/mons/htps that they don't need for free, because they can now just pick up the extra 'one-of-a-kind' boss equips to NPC later.
But this may be more related to the culture of the server, rather than whether boss eqs being 'one-of-a-kind' or not affecting ppl bringing new players in to take boss equips.
I think people here are too obsessed with money making, as can be seen from selling leech to boss run eqs.
Back when I was playing on mapleSEA for a good number of years during the early days from 4 hour zakum runs with 3rd job chars to ranged chars wearing partial HP eqs for 7k hp after HB to survive HT's tail because nobody washed (and because it costs rl money to wash), we didn't sell zakum helmets or HTPs. Instead we took turns to loot them, and if it came to our turn again and we already have a zakum helmet/HTP we would bring in our buddies & guildies to help them get their zakum helmet/HTP.

I know several guilds here would sell zakum helms at a lower price to their guildies here, but shoutout to all the guilds (and buddy-formed boss squads) that absorbed the costs of the pots and have never taken a single meso from any of their guildies/buddies! Hope to see more of you guys around rather than mesos making squads.



If you're concerned about how to help players offset some pot costs, I think it'll be better if you can selectively increase the drop rate of equipments (but not skill books) from bosses. The pros: NPCing more equipment drops will help the squad to offset some pot costs / The cons: Prices of higher demand equipments like Red Cravens, Dragon Sleeves etc may get affected.
Perhaps if you can increase the drop rate of just the less desired equipments ...?

 

maplestory economies are scroll driven meaning its the main source of earning mesos per population. mesos coming from it have a big impact on the prices of every item in the market. Maplelegends is unique. setting a goal as a no vote to win server it inadvertently drowned the market of scrolls. imagine throwing away a scroll like dark 30% staff because it clogs the inventory.

instead of hard work farming scrolls, new players rely on luck in gach to be successful in the server. a way out of this problem is putting npc value for scrolls. besides de-glutting the market, it will stimulate the economy igniting from poor to middle class players and not rich getting richer. this because of the new source of money creation. from bottom to up firing up the economy.

quick question. my forum account was mano last time i looked now i'm slime again. any reason?

 

Didn't read all the posts, but wouldnt all the concerns be solved by introducing etc drops of bosses (like zakum crystal) that sells for high price (same price as the helms etc). That way it wouldnt make the helm drops seem too easy.

Edit: The issue of hoarding the current etcs can be solved by introducing new boss etcs instead

 

2 is a non issue. People suggesting using the crystals are just spitballing, use a new etc.

Petris, skeles, and dukus don't break 10k exp (or are very close to it if they do).
Petries groups well but the map layout is horrible, and without teleport you can regularly get locked out of a level of a map. There's a reason mages are the only ones who really grind there.
Dukus are stunlock machines, grinding here means disabling power gaurd and only using skills that let you stunlock before they can stunlock you, which means excluding most classes. In addition the map layouts are horrible.
Skeles have a very low spread out spawn so cleave chars can't grind there effectively, and ranged can only really do that in large groups. Hence why mages who can hit all three levels dominate the area.
7f is the only listed grindable showlin floor for cleavers, and no listed grindable spot among showlin is effective for ranged characters.
ToT oblivion is too spread out to grind effectively without a party, and parties generally don't occur because most people don't want to do a 10+ hour quest just to be able to grind there. In addition, due to how spread out the map is, and the fact that all the enemies are ice weak, and the only effective class at ice damage is i/l (because pali ice damage is so bad tot turns into hammer only) this again is a map that's only effective for mages.

Have you ever tried grinding at NT maps, or at least the first map?? It's the worst maple experience I've ever had.

• Auto aggro flying enemies that do 3+k in a map with 50+ line dialog quests that you have to page through. This is literally a auto pot required quest area. So much for no vote to win (whether from having to vote for auto hp or vote to wash enough to survive).
• Enemies are resistant to all elements. I'm sorry, this should never happen, this is bad game design. This completely nerfs classes like palis and mages. Palis literally cannot partake in some bosses because of this, or are relegated to hammer mules (krex, ppq boss post 3rd job, gpq boss, pink bean according to the library). Every enemy should be standard to at least one element. You have to see the irony of having palis be one of the most effective jobs at NT bossing but being completely nerfed at grinding there.
• All cure hell, aka 100+ all cures per 30 mins minimum, and all cures don't affect half the statuses you get on these maps. Do you know how frustrating it is to have to press 5+ all cures in the time it takes you to kill one wave of enemies? This makes dukus feel fun to grind against since you can at least in theory counter by counter stunning first.
• The maps themselves are horribly implemented, or at least the first one is. Pets literally cannot navigate to 90% of loot so you spend most of your time trying to loot coins etc., which is only made more frustrating by the fact that you're being constantly weakened (unable to jump).
  
• Users can't grind at other maps for coins / exp / drops that might be more functional, or even access crafting npcs, until they've defeated or been carried through verga and another boss. Not everyone wants to pay money for that or has friends willing to do that for them, so they're not really able to grind effectively till 163+ when they can form a party unless they try to do it underleveled.

 

I don't have much to add as I think most things have been stated, but I would like to briefly address the point that having unlimited zak/scar helmets may make it too easy for scrolling.
This is already the case, albeit in a semi-limited form. At any one time you may have a Zakum helmet, a Scar (Str) helmet, and a Scar (Dex) helmet. I know both Scar helmets have an additional 2 stats, but if this is about the usage of CS then this is arguably inconsequential. A player can have a temporary scrolled helmet and continue to work on up to 2 other helmets.

 

Why not decrease scroll chances from gach and lower tax to remove glut and reflect playerbase/supply? If noobs get money then they can afford more expensive helm + lower tax encourages merching. If you adjust the tax later and if there's no runaway inflation then all is good. Items are only worth as much as what we think and elasticity only exists inframarginally. If, say, earring int 30s rise up to 15m, your idea of how much it's worth changes as well.

 

Also I'd like to add that, for a cleaver like me at least, the first map is actually the LEAST obnoxious NT map for grinding and that's seriously a big fucking achievement right there.

Tokyo Park has atrocious spawn, extreme width, and the most annoying status effect in the game which CANNOT be ACPed
Akihabara PREVENTS DOWN JUMP @#@%*(#@)SJAKLJFLDKS:J I cannot even express my rage at that map properly
Tokyo Skies has sparse mobs that fly everywhere and cause status effects.

 

Remove paywall from owl of minerwa and either make it unlimited or set up a third party site to handle trades. There fixed the market

 

I have to disagree here, lower timer means they would need more players to complete the runs, even now, if the players are too weak, no one will invite them(aka intlords).
If not timer, at least complicate the mechanics, they would have the same amount of time but with more difficult mechanics, its really braindead how it is right now and it gets boring really fast.
I have yet to hear a viable argument against random seduce and I would like people to share their opinion on it, I think it fixes alot of shit in HT:
1)6 man groups won't be able to complete as easily, if at all.
2)HT getting boring really fast because you really dont have to do anything but press one key.
3)it would require to have at least 2 bishops in a run in the case of a bishop dying(which will probably lead to a 2nd party being created).
4)fixes dex bucc garbage strategy by having random seduce(which will also fix the p2w part of it).