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Bowman Buff suggestion

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Zeretius, Aug 25, 2017.

  1. Zeretius
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    Just a simple suggestion I had in mind since the Marksman class got a buff to snipe from 15 sec cd to 5 sec cd.

    "Concentrate is a 26 att buff, reduces mana cost of all spells by 50% that lasts for 180 seconds. 6 minutes cd currently"

    Reduce concentrate from 6 minutes cd to 4 minutes cd.
     
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    What exactly does concentrate currently offer on this patch?
     
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    Concentrate is a 26 att buff, reduces mana cost of all spells by 50% that lasts for 180 seconds. Dispell-able by dark wyverns.
     
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    I find 26 att to be a rather strange number... but alright. My OCD is telling my that number needs to be changed, but let's ignore that and get back to point.

    I can see cause for concern when the debuff timer (the cooldown) is as long as the buff itself (assuming max concentrate, meaning 6 - 3 mins off-time), but it lasts more than half a cider and has slightly more attack. I'm not sure how much you care about the mana cost decrease, but as someone who's played a bowmaster in the past, I can say that MP goes by quickly; though, that's mitigated by auto-pot and the fact that potions are honestly not so much expensive.

    Would a compromise for you be more ideal, like trading the away the mana reduction or lowering the attack by a little to have no cooldown (essentially)? Because if you move the cooldown to 180 seconds, you basically have a free buff that's better than ciders that also cuts mana costs. Of course, that would be huge for BMs, much like how the Snipe change made markmen so much easier to play for the less funded.
     
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    i mean the main issues is that [like everything else] any attack buff overrides another attack buff.
    let's say you use concentrate and then a cider.
    concentrate will be up before your cider finishes, effectively wasting your cider. Once concentrate runs out, you have to cider again. It's especially annoying for long duration attack pots like apples, when you want concentrate to reduce mana but you can't use it because it overrides apple.
     
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    I wouldn't trade anything maybe even a 4min cd , so 1 min downtime would be a better suggestion. Snipe from 15 sec to 5 sec increased dpm of snipe from 800k/min to 2.4m/min, 300% pure damage buff.
     
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    Yeah, I do think the snipe buff was quite a bit overpowered; that being said, I think a 4 minute cd (1 min real cd) sounds quite a lot better.
     
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    I see what you mean; but then, would you really want to spec concentrate until late-game, or even at all? It just sounds like attack pots in general seem to be better than adding this skill, sadly.

    Also, I can't remember exactly what the order of skills should be, realistically, but the only three skills, I guess, that come to mind when I think of BMs atm are Phoenix, Hurricane, and SE, so I guess I just realized this might be more of a concern for people, realistically, 16x and above to deal with.

    EDIT: Just remembered that Bow Expert is a skill; so would concentrate be a 17x+ skill?
     
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    first three should be sharp eyes->hurricane->bow mastery in some order (120->150)
    concentrate would probably come after that
     
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    a pretty harmless buff IMO, but if the suggestion doesn't make people happy, we could change to cooldown to 5mins instead of 4mins, to match how long ciders last
     
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    Bump :)
     
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    Seems like a relatively harmless buff to me, especially since it can be dispelled
     
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    Maybe enrage also since rage is buffed. Conc 30 and enrange 30 are like one of the most useless ht drops no one even sells the book :eek:
     
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    Trying to read Library's comments, even on a 26 in monitor
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    Jesus christ why even type that shit. I read maybe two words before I stopped caring.
     
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    Would force me to finally get that skill...
     

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