Change BGA

Ranged can still participate it’s just that they’re not optimal.(except BM) Unlike before when range was optimal in 95% of content. It’s allowed cleave to have late game content that forces party building and interactive play style. You could kill them 1 by one simply focus one down as much as you can and then when THE BOSS spawns somebody keep it pinned while focusing down BGA rinse repeat. It takes more effort and coordination.

 

Reason why NL isn't that welcomed in BGA isn't because not only they're single target, but they demand 1 more slot for another single target or mule just for themselves, when most bga goes as melee fiesta without 'that demand'.

But well, can't we enjoy bga at least while they enjoy HT+PB telling us 'sorry range prefered'? Allow us say same, 'sorry melee prefered'.

 

I was halfway through typing out a response before I remembered that similar thoughts were already posted in a different thread, so quoting it here. After having ran BGA with every class (except for I/L), I can fully agree with Hyperion_'s sentiment from the Anniversary 2025 Extra Patch Notes.
TLDR: Ranged good but hosts/runners often aren't willing to give them a chance.

 

What blocks NLs from BGA, and what blocks melee classes except shad/bucc from HT/PB isn't system. I think we have different viewpoint for how to definite 'accessibility'. Every classes are surely 'able to access' on every contents, and it's eventually our meta-favored playstyle which blocks each others from certain contents.

If you used term 'accessible' as 'contents be ideal for my class', It IS impossible to make every contents ideal for every classes. We're already living in era which even make 'tier list' and all of us love to rate each classes.

OK Sair/Hero are rated as Fuck tier classes, i won't get them.

Again, we might need to think about 'accessibility' and 'ideal access'. Obviously, what you're asking is 'make every contents ideal for NL', and if I apply that same logic on other classes, it falls into 'make every contents ideal for every classes', which is literally nonsense.

 

Let's be real. if you're NL and willing to join BGA, you need good cleave friend can carry you + another 1 slot, and yes, it's not that big deal for players have strong cleave classes. issue is - Do they willing to get you and share profit with you even in unideal composition, being dragged by you?

Answer for this question depends on how you've played.

Here comes the sad story. We've been heard for years (yes, years.) for 'sorry range prefered, you're dragging us', and still hearing it. (my recent hearing it was less than 24hrs ago, still it's very common). It is hard to get friends willing to help you when you need, when You refuse to help others when they need.

I know you aren't such selfish person and I don't think this applies on every NL players, I do have good NL friends too and I love to play with them whereever, But yes, current game culture is what we, players made for years. We strived for efficiency, and still striving for efficiency, not being 'friendly' sadly. Just same thing happened for years is happening still. 'Sorry, for sake of efficiency, Range / Melee prefered'.


Ironically, players who were on frontline for leading that meta was mostly NL players too.

 

I think Tev already gave you solution for you.

 

I think that BGA and Aufhaven should be designed to need both range and cleave imagine actually including everyone. Swinging from range-only to cleave-only is just bad design, and the latest implementations flop completely on that front.

 

I dont think there's a single boss in this game that rewards having a variety of classes. The closest we get is cwkpq, and even that mostly uses a small subset of classes for the "boss" portion and mules half the things needed for the forced inclusion check. That said, pqs do offer more opportunity for inclusivity than dpm checks