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Accepted Change drop rates to Drk Roar skill

Discussion in 'Accepted' started by TORONTOTOKYO, May 12, 2023.

do u think roar should be nerfed?

  1. Hell yeah

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  2. Nah

    47 vote(s)
    60.3%
  1. V220
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    Please eleaborate on why my reply is a bad take. I am more than willing to discuss any of the points I raised (or you want to raise) and learn something out of this.
     
  2. fartsy
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    Whoops I was thinking in terms of comments section in the last few balance changes which got a bit contentious. I think V220 is correct that DK farming is deflationary or some other sister build is possible. Not sure if he leeches on the side though.

    highest meso/hr comes from mage farming + dk farming or dk only farming but personally speaking, my computer is too noob hence leech+dk farm
     
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    lol
     
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    I just feel like if someone wants to put all the effort into developing so many chars to multifarm and spend +10 hours a day farming like if a mushroom game was their job I don't see why that shouldn't be rewarded. People get mad at others for making profits from something they wouldn't do themselves because it would def burn the average player out... I spend 2 hours killing skeles and I need vacations, so props to the people that dedicate themselves to that just to grind a game.
    What I can see from the situation is that people just don't feel rewarded by playing more commonly, while still playing a lot of hours in the game and not getting much reward from it... hence the hate grows towards the people who can achieve these things with strategies.
    As a fix I don't propose to nerf everything that's Full map attack, I propose to increase by a good amount the drop rate of all single target attacks for any class and even multi-targeted skills that hit <= 6 mobs slightly (like i.e bowman's arrow rain, warriors AoE attacks, thief's avenger and such just to name a few).
     
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    but drks dont generate as much raw meso as a singular mage does :thinking:
     
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    From my own experience, and speaking to others, DK farming generates very little mesos, only just going positive. You mostly farm for scrolls and gachas.

    Although over-powered, it feels weird nerfing farming classes / metas, when the chars used arent really sort after for bossing. Some excel at bossing, some at farming, and by limiting or removing the viability of easy farming, you just turn the game into NL simulator
     
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  8. fartsy
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    If roar gets nerfed it's likely current farmers will just move to the next thing. Gach in its current form has to be changed and BT should take a hard look at some of their past changes. We're all incentive driven anyway. Maybe we'll have another state of the economy thread except instead of inflation, a muse on deflation.
     
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    Agree 100% with this, IMO WS+CS in gachapon is the main reason DK farming is OP to begin with. If you can remove WS+CS and substitute that void with an unobtainable item like PAC/PGC. You can also buff bossing heavily as it can (probably should be) a primary way to gain coins. As long as WS+CS are in gach, farming will forever overpower bossing in "coin production."
     
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    hey we produce ws+cs in such quantity we skip taxes too
     
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    what's the next thing tho?
    sair genesis has a CD so no
    mass shad b-step maybe?
    buccs no, cant farm.
    heroes no, shout has small aoe.
    pallies no, hammer has a cd and needs to be finished with a FMA.
    archers? no stance, no avoid, might be good at same maps which they cannot be knocked off.
    NLs? no.
     
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    we'll see next patch!
     
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    A 5 sec cooldown won't stop you from farming if respawns happen every 10 seconds.
     
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    No matter how "OP" any of these farming methods are, are they really all that unhealthy? At the end of the day, the market is in such spot that a singular person with a few millions can easily buy out any singular scroll and "monopolize" their sale. If we actually nerfed the production of gachas significantly maybe the term monopoly would be further and further away from being an exageration.

    I'm not saying that keeping the current DK roar is perfectly fine or balanced yet there's a chance that the nerf of them or full map attacks in general without any compensatory measure would make the market easier to manipulate which could be a disaster given any person had the intent.

    This part i can't say im certain about but to me it feels as the server ages and the influx of new players plateaus, there is less and less players actively farming mobs and more players mostly relying on bossing income. This leads to the select few who actually enjoy multiclient farming and whatnot supplying a big chunk of the scrolls and other gacha related items. How do you guys think the game would look without these players or efficient methods that they consider worthy of their time?
     
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    Don‘t underestimate the power of creativity and level of tryhardness of some people here to find the next big thing ;) something will replace this farm strat if roar just get’s singularly nerfed... It would just be a band-aid solution.

    All you need to do is find a small edge in a farm strat and multiclient opens the door to degeneracy. I already started leveling new chars and cooking some theories in case we get a band-aid nerf and, if we just nerf roar and get „quick fixes“, nothing will really change in the long run and it will be everytime harder to find a solution that doesn’t affect more casual gameplay.
     
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    I dont understand, so some people are saying roar shouldn't be nerfed because it's good for the economy, yet also saying if roar is nerfed people are just gonna move on to the next big thing anyways so nothing's going to change? Also roar farming doesnt produce meso but it produces coins so it potentially causes inflation just as much as mage farming do.

    I mean, I personally dont think roar drop rate should be nerfed, it should just have minimum hp requirement or whatever

    Edit:instead of min hp requirement maybe roar dmg should depend on hp spent? Maybe that's more interesting. I dont think nerfing drop rate is the way to go tho. Roar farming shouldnt become obsolete
     
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    Kinda extreme to nerf roar because of two handfuls of Dk farmers farming Similar to mage farming imo
     
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    DK roar drop rate are x4 better than mage ulti its unbalanced no matter how you look at it.

    There are alot of dk farmers and there is a good reason why multimage was nerfed like TOT case.

    its true dk farming does not produce raw mesos but the gacha plus the the good scrolls like helmet dex/int and so on make it very profitable
    I think the average income from 4dks at MC is about 45mil-55mil (depends on the rates of your gacha if its 2mil each or 2.5m each) and luck on scrolls.) I'm sure fartsy can give more reliable stats if he wanted to.
    Now on top of that you can do more stuffs meanwhile because 4dks are basically afk clicking. you can do certain bosses to get coins(bosses are bad anyway lol), sell ulu leech about 20mil per hour or 5-6 leech with 2 mage that generate 30-40m per hour.
    You end up with a set up that can generate 70mil + per hour. which is better than average of PB kill which is once a weak participation.
    now its not about playing 10 hours or 2 hours the fact that you can have such insane profits with this easy set up is ridiculous.
    If it wasn't so broken you all wouldn't use it.

    Anyway my main concern is not DK farming . it will eventually will be nerfed.
    the real problem is Balance team not making fast decisions to make the economy healthier.
    It took almost 2 years ? maybe more to multi mage TOT get nerfed after being vastly abused and certain players made huge profits.
    so even after DK farming will be nerfed there will be something new and the BT will take another long time to nerf it.
    I don't see any BT members expressing their thoughts on economy matters which make me think they don't even care.
     
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    I wanted to clarify i was not making an argument to whether i think it's balanced or not. I'm merely highlighting that given any change to the gacha production rate should be coupled with new sources of scrolls because it could otherwise be quite problematic. If you owl any of the imporant scrolls you can verify my claim and the amount of meso required to buy them out is usually not too high. Maybe it would be a fair assumption to say that the current state of legends has an overreliance of gachapons to supply the needs of a big chunk of important items.

    I do agree that the balance team should be more vocal about their thoughts on forum since it's overall positive that the good ideas are acknowledged and expanded upon . It gives a sense of hope since we are atleast led to believe that all these player driven discussion threads serve any purpose at all but that's a completely different issue.
     
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    Multishad pickpocket gach farming meta when
     

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