Changes to Crit Throw/NL

hi, have u seen corsairs soloing BF? its almost comparable to free leeching from lvl12x to 15x with their ship single targeting skill and no ship break dpm. this time corsairs got buffed, so i dont think a definite nerf for NL is the right course of action.

Different classes shine in different grind/bosses.

 

My view is that we should leave the skills just as how it was. Forcing 'improvements' to skills may slowly destroy the essence of the game, just as how modern maple have 'improved' to become. People dont prefer the modern maple, that's why we're in this server, isnt it?

 

Yeah the change really feels custom imo. Just like with strafe being 5 hit. Any decent NL will have SE somehow, but I guess that's not the case with the multi client limitation. Seeing 80k+ crits on a single star is going to be weird to see.

 

It means you can KB mage boss without att pots now though!

 

Lol, yeah that's a huge pro in this situation. I believe you needed at least ~4900 range to KB mage as a NL. Nameless pin as well without having to apple.

 

Honestly i dont get what usefulness have buffing SE-Less damage, cause no one likes to do boss run without SE there will be always SE on Horntail, taking the consideration they re looking on a full endgame NL with a complete wash and endgame gear. I consider the change on the Critical Throw as unnessesary and anti-nostalgic for the players. in my stead i total dissaprove it

 

That and krex sure. But in any other scenario NL beats Corsair

 

I would prefer it be reverted back as well. This was not a buff NLs needed. As dumb as that sounds. I'd rather keep the original formula even if it means hitting less without SE.

 

Killing some time while waiting for maintenance, here's a little pointless simulation to check out the crit changes.

Gear equipped: 89att sleeve, 21att bwg
Skill used: Triple Throw

Spoiler: Results

Note: those are individual lines, bolded are total dmg per hit.

oh forgot to include post crit + SE

 

Let's just revert back.

 

smfh stop going to gs and kill amplifiers/mannes instead they have like 50% more hp and gives back like 4 time as much exp

 

I don't understand why they even made the change. Sins were fine the way they were. GMs need to be a bit more intelligent and understand classes more before messing with them.

 

The inconsistent damage is honestly very stupid. I used to be able to two shot at MP3 mobs, now I'm not sure if its gonna take two or three shots to kill them because of the crit rate. As a lvl 6x sin, it only slows my progression to level and grind. If this change sticks, I might consider re-rolling. I think if you wanted to nerf NLs, there could be another way. Changing crit rate % was definitely not it.

 

The point was to not nerf NLs but a buff without SE. Unfortunately it seems it's hurting the early game. Hopefully they get this feedback.

 

Can I just say, card hunting has now become an absolute nightmare! As a hermit waiting for AP resets, I've had to revert to lower level mobs a RNG now plays a much larger role in whether I 1 hit or not.

Please can this be changed back or reviewed?

 

I think the origin of this NL change was pretty clear. The popular opinion on the server is that "NL is broken", and the way that staff probably wanted to address this was by nerfing alchemist. However, they were probably in a mindset where they thought they needed to compensate for the alchemist nerf with something else, and thus the critical hit changes were implemented. I personally think it would have been alright to either leave alchemist as it was, or just nerf alchemist and leave everything else untouched. Even though average dpm with SE was not affected, it seems like messing around with other stuff is bringing more disapproval than anticipated.

 

I can't agree more. The buff on non SE dmg is not a a true buff to compensate for alchemist nerf. Alchemist was fine, and I'm okay with the nerf, but it seems a bit excessive imo. You can keep the nerf on alchemist, but let's revert back to the original formula.

 

This was EXACTLY what I thought as well.
The goal intended was probably to nerf alchemist, but in return they wanted to buff SE-less damage to compensate for the nerf to NLs.
If the initial intention was to nerf alchemist, they should have just done it without touching the crit-%.

Looking at the DPM calculations made by Arthur, it shows that base DPM has been buffed by ~800k where as if you compare base DPM versus SE-DPM, there's still a boost of about 6-7mil/min. The intention was to show how SE-less damage is better now but the reality is that at the end of the day, no end-game NL will go without SE when the boost in damage & DPM is so damn significant.

The number of late/end-game NLs grinding is also limited/scarce/rare, and even so, they will still utilize SE to maximise kill rate and EPH.
The only time this would be helpful is when a late/end-game NL goes into a bossing run and their archers DC/die without resurrection, leaving them SE-less.

I had a long post to reveal how this change was actually an unnecessary buff/an actual nerf instead of ''Improving Nightlords'' due to several reasons:
1. Early game assassins will suffer inconsistent damage leading to worsened grinding efficiency - ie. Nerf
2. Late game nightlords will not/rarely go without SE - ie. Unnecessary buff

Honestly I've tested my DPM in Bodyguard A/B and HT - unchanged, but I still feel the change in crit-% is unnecessary.

Seeing 6 yellow lines so frequently now... without 1 purple line is ugly too