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Warrior [Dark Knight] What Spear should I use?

Discussion in 'Jobs' started by thetavi, Apr 22, 2015.

  1. thetavi
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    First draft, this will just include some maths and TL;DR. I'll give longer explanations later.

    Weapons in question:
    [​IMG]Fishing Pole - Fast(5) speed, (3) with booster. I will henceforth refer to this as "Pole".
    [​IMG] Sky Skis - Normal(6) speed, (4) with booster. I will henceforth refer to this as "Skis".
    [​IMG] Dragon Faltizan - Slow(7) speed, (5) with booster. I will henceforth refer to this as "Dragon".

    Max clean attack
    Pole: 72
    Skis: 99
    Dragon: 112
    Max perfected attack
    Pole: 107
    Skis: 134
    Dragon: 147
    Multiplier given to COMPARED spear
    Pole: 28
    Skis: 31
    Dragon: 33
    Formula
    [Multiplier of Spear A] ([Weapon ATT of Spear B] + x) = [Multiplier of Spear B] ([Weapon ATT of Spear A] + x),
    where x = the additional weapon attack from potions or equipment required for the DPS of Spear A and Spear B to equalize. Any number greater than x results in Spear B yielding higher DPS; any number lower than x results in Spear A yielding higher DPS.
    In my opinion, a reasonable amount of weapon attack to get from gear is around 25~35 end game, depending on if we get MoNs or not.
    From potions, you can get +100 attack from Onyx Apples, and perhaps eventually +120 attack from Demon Elixirs (they also come from CWKPQ along with the MoN).
    Ergo, a reasonable total increase of weapon attack end game is somewhere between 125~155.

    Clean
    33 (72 + x) = 28 (112 + x)
    (33 * 72) + 33x = (28 * 112) + 28x
    5x = (28 * 112) - (33 * 72)
    x = [(28 * 112) - (33 * 72)] / 5
    x = 152

    Perfect
    33 (107 + x) = 28 (147 + x)
    (33 * 107) + 33x = (28 * 147) + 28x
    5x = (28 * 147) - (33 * 107)
    x = [(28 * 147) - (33 * 107)] / 5
    x = 117
    Clean
    31 (72 + x) = 28 (99 + x)
    (31 * 72) + 31x = (28 * 99) + 28x
    3x = (28 * 99) - (31 * 72)
    x = [(28 * 99) - (31 * 72)] / 3
    x = 180

    Perfect
    31 (107 + x) = 28 (134 + x)
    (31 * 107) + 31x = (28 * 134) + 28x
    3x = (28 * 134) - (31 * 107)
    x = [(28 * 134) - (31 * 107)] / 3
    x = 145
    Clean
    33 (99 + x) = 31 (112 + x)
    (33 * 99) + 33x = (31 * 112) + 31x
    2x = (31 * 112) - (33 * 99)
    x = [(31 * 112) - (33 * 99)] / 2
    x = 102.5

    Perfect
    33 (134 + x) = 31 (147 + x)
    (33 * 134) + 33x = (31 * 147) + 31x
    2x = (31 * 147) - (33 * 134)
    x = [(31 * 147) - (33 * 134)] / 2
    x = 67.5

    TL;DR
    Basically, Sky Skis will beat Dragon fairly quickly (NOTE: this is not the case with Reverse or Timeless!). The Pole will need to be perfected and you will need to use an apple for it to beat the Dragon, but will not yet beat the Sky Skis. If you have a perfect Pole, godly gear and are appling (gaining a total of 145 or more weapon attack), then the Pole becomes the strongest. If you have Speed Infusion, Sky Skis win hands down.

    For right now:
    Use the highest attack spear you can find. If you are appling, use Sky Skis.
    When you become godly:
    Use the highest attack spear you can find. If you are appling, use Fishing Pole.
     
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    I always have same idea about that issue.
    Sky skis worthless if they not scrolled to perf or near, the att diff makes up on speed.

    If u into farm hard then go pole
    If u into boss fights go spear
    On thing is spears and spear scrolls would cost more then pole , consider that on long term
     
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    Sorry for the confusion. "Pole" that I'm referencing in the thread is the [​IMG] Fishing Pole, which is a Fast speed spear. No polearms here. :)
     
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    where can i obtain a fishing pole? o . o
     
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    Neko / Inumimi lvl 6x BM
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    i think faust, the zombie lupin boss drop it

    not sure (x

    // edit.. yee that mob drop it, he is located a bit outside of ellinia
     
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    cheers
     
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    Dysmia Mano

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    I did some digging online and it seems like the chances of a drop for the Fishing Pole are extremely low, like one in a thousand type deal. Not sure if the drop rates for it have been changed on this server though! But it does exist here for sure because there is already at least one in circulation that I know of. As a side note, another weapon with about equal rarity is the Flaming Katana, which only drops from Deo (the Ariant area boss). Neither of these are available from Gachapon either, as far as I know.
     
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    That is quite interesting. I do wonder which method would be faster in the end... though there is nothing stopping one from trying both at the same time.
     
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