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DPM after Balance Change

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by joota, May 24, 2020.

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    Is there a reason why certain dpms (SI+SE) melee classes aren't as high as dpm (SE only) melee classes? EX. Shadower which can't even use SI (I think) has below 6m dpm at 180 with (SI+SE), but as over 6m dpm with just (SE)... Maybe I'm readying the graph wrong.

    Edit: The image I uploaded and marked is what I'm talking about if it wasn't clear.
     

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    joota Mr. Anchor Retired Staff

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    RizsetRizset the numbers are correct but Google Sheets has weird way of showing the numbers. I made the gridlines tighter, and it seems to look more accurate. Lmk if it still looks off!
     
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    How is bucc calculated because the damage is so irregular after transformation
     
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    Not sure about how this graph calculated but the theoretical maximum dpm is the average of 2 min of demolition and 1 min of barrage>barrel cancel>energy orb>energy drain. The latter varies a bit based on how good your timing is but I found my untransformed dpm somewhere around 70-80% of my super transformed dpm.
     
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    So technically during transformation Bucc is the strongest single target melee class?
     
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    If you're not giving SI to other classes, then yes I think so.
     
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    Even if other warriors have si, bucc still does higher single target damage (unless its a paladin vs elementally weak monster)
     
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    Wait so then why is everyone calling bucc the underdog?
     
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    Their cleave damage is extremely poor. Dragonstrike on 4 targets (can hit 6 maximum) is about the same dpm as demolition (which is single target). Snatch is also relatively weak on bosses. You need to hit 3+ mobs in order to get slightly above demolition dpm and in practice is not easy to use when you're uncharged (no stance) since there are no iframes.

    I'm not sure if I agree w/ SI bucc single-target dmg outdoes hero/dk. Maybe if you only consider demolition then yes but if you average 2min of demolition and 1min of untransformed, most of the dmg calculation I've seen puts bucc on par with hero/dk. Which I think is more or less fair since buccs cannot cleave and have support skills.

    I think the biggest issue with buccs is survivability. They have no dmg mitigation skills whatsoever and are much less efficient to wash than warriors (still better than washing ranged). Unwashed bucc at lv200 is like 10k hp i think which is pretty bad for a melee job.
     
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    can i have the comparison when job using onxy apple
     

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