event Holy Symbol buff baskets are cool.

Can you explain what is more ethical about playing single client versus alternatives?
Arguments in the past were that by multiclienting, you were potentially stealing jobs.
Wouldn't having access to HS through consumables do that very same thing?

 

lets increase server rates instead

 

Irrelevant to the discussion. You're the one that brought in ethics, so please explain.

 

I think it might be best to double down and add skill pots. Classes are often not readily available and mules take weeks if not months for the employed and unfunded to train, forget the clunkiness of multiclienting for many. Having an alternative or quick fix instead of cancelling a run may outweigh a couple of “stolen” spots. Besides that there is still a motivation to both bring the real deal or a mule (save multiclient hassle or money) even with the existence of a buff potion.

 

It's the same exact thing with the HB buff.
Is it really dismissing these jobs if you get HS/HB from consumables?
Bishops still provide HSS and Dispel which are useful in several boss fights. DK's still provide DPS as well. (Same with buccs).

For every buff? If they are cheap enough you could save skill points on several classes (Archer with the 3rd job speed buff, or heck even disregard meso up and haste on a NL). Also let me just fill up 50% of my very limited use inventory with skill pots.
I feel like this has a very significant impact (albeit I'm not completely against it).

 

To clarify, I'm not disagreeing with the suggestion. I am simply challenging the notion that there is some moral high ground taken for choosing to play as a single clienter. I just find it ironic that ethics was mentioned when the end result would be similar to that of multiclienting/muling.

 

And also, though I dont do endgame content, I have never seen people get denied for the class they play, even when its a duplicate or there’s a mule available. The vast majority just wants the buffs sorted and slots filled, no matter by who (except INTLords GRRRR )

 

NL(NeedyLords) need MW30, SI, SE, HS, HB and Rage to function properly

 

A what?

 

You've clearly never played corsair. Unfortunately I get rejected from content because of my class lmao

 

My 24/7/365 accessible HS event basket comes equipped with Mystic Door, Holy Shield, and MW20, but no HB.

 

And people wonder why casual grinding suddenly picks up when gm baskets are available.

HS as a skill is rough for all parties. Casual players who cant or dont want to lug a bishop around suffer massively, and there are only a few places where a bishop gets invited to content because they'd provide more value than an hs mule. Its a mule check on grinders, and a power budget sink for bishop players. HS is a fine skill, but its far overtuned. Its all or nothing nature for exp gains (on active characters especially) provides too much of a boost to neglect, but does not generate value in a positive way.

But if there was any interest in actually addressing it, we probably would have done so the many other times the topic has come up over the years.

 

When a certain buff becomes normalized, it becomes expected.
I'd argue HS (and mule infrastructure in general) is just a part of replay value.

 

Nah. You don't NEED hs you like it and want it and it alleviates the painfully slow boring grindfest which is maple. Multiclienting isnt more or less ethical. It can be annoying and creates a hyper niche or upper echelon of players. It comes down to many things; preference, player skill, reward, casual vs non casual, time, need etc. Also you can make friends with bishops thats ALWAYS an option.
[sidenote]
It likes people who think giving corsairs self si would remove buccs from being needed /wanted even though hypnotize has been broken for a long while now :'](USELESS SKILL). Doesnt change the fundamentals corsairs are still mostly bad at end game content :].