event Holy Symbol buff baskets are cool.

I've done a lot of bosses without HS thinking "doing it any old way is better than not doing it at all," aside from the other benefits that Bishop brings. A duo content without HS gives practically the same experience as a trio with HS.
You're trading the benefits of HS for more split.

The same goes for grinding on the map; solo grinding will hardly be better than party grinding, even without HS

Thinking about mules solely and exclusively for HS. You don't need to go that far.

zak preq = lv 50 req
krex = 80 ?
ht = 80 (lollol)
toad = no lv
bg = no lv?
nt = 100

PB and AUF yes need to be level 175.

 

brother, what are you talking about, muling/multiclienting hasn't been hyper niche for years. You make it sound like it's some sort of skill intensive thing when HS mule is simply a matter of having lvl 81 char and logging into it.

Also lets not pretend multiclienting is COMPLETELY detached from ethics. For example, if a person with a certain class can never find content because it's being muled all the time, how can you ever claim it has nothing to do with ethics? There's a BIG difference in being bishop main vs some other attack main, for example (I'm guilty in this aspect as well, but just because it's common doesn't mean it's ethical). Not saying there's no other factors at play, but you can't just claim there's no ethics in something people do when maple is a social game.

(Am i saying we should get rid of mules? HELL NAH. Mules just sort of became necessary in this stupid game)

oh no, you shouldn't joke about degenerate multiclienters! they only like jokes at other ppl's expense.
(/s im also a degenerate multiclienter)

 

Good thing Sairs bring no buffs, so it wouldn’t affect them

 

when is it my turn to beg for nonsense buffs?

BM flash jump

 

nl then rebirth to bm, fj and shadower partness

 

Rebirth already exists. Through multiclienting. But only if it's done unethically.

 

Jokes you on I got 3 devices I can login to.

Oh oh I got one, give mages the Battle Mage TP.

 

I am saying that multi clienters have been to an extent pushing the boundaries of this game. Those who are proficient and efficient with multi clienting have found other ways to enjoy their game. Of course some people wont be invited to content, but this being a game which does incentivize party play means using your chat box and making friends is usually a good thing. I can speak for myself as you helped me be recruiting me to your guild and inviting me to content etc. I also chose a subpar class but a class that supports others. Until the rework dark knights were mid or subpar in end game content. PB I didnt even have to apple and auf I was rarely invited unless I was there strictly for HB or started my own. Even then, what class cant ever find content? Buccs??? Theyre needed everywhere BESIDES MAYBE cwkpq, Paladins?? Same thing then they rule the game with them being good at ALL content* except BGA where they're mid imho. It has nothing to do with ethics.... I didnt multi client for 2 years and only recently have since I've comeback. Bishops as a whole are muled due to mages as a whole being subpar or not optimal in plenty of content worth doing. I dont think you are a good or bad person for multi clienting. How are you a good or bad person for multi clienting or choosing not to? At best its just moral high ground because you have the resources to have a good pc ???? The whole "moral" aspect never makes sense to me, which is out of many people's hands. This is a game where you can involve others or choose not to. Some choose to be isolated others dont. ALSO this game has evolved. Back in 2020 I was doing 6man cwkpq now thats unheard of due to the game evolving, power creep, less population and the game being more "figured out". Once again this dude could simply make a priest and let it sit in 7f absolutely nobody is stopping him nor does it take away from inviting a bishop main if hed like. This whole argument is at best laughable. It's genuinely a non issue. This is similar to the people who have an issue with leeching all over again. Which also isnt more or less moral its literally playing the game.

 

your ethical consumption takes advantage of low prices provided by the multiclient, rwt, and botting slaves of the server

 

The evil "just solod horntail, j>2man pb" multiclient chud vs the humble and ethical "j>6man zak" soloclienter

 

Corsair SI

Hero HB

FP HS

Game fixed.

 

market price

 

Some things get cheaper some things get more expensive

 

a lot of them at crows and master chronos but yeah the above people are right. imo depends on if they're caught in time

 

oh yah i agree to most of what you said, but you are misunderstanding some of what i said. First of all, Im not talking about whether OP is ethical for not having HS mule. I dont give a fuck and not even relevant to what im saying as i'll explain later. Second, As I've said before, I think bucc is in a good spot right now. And to be honest I dont even know why you brought up pally when they're like one of the least muled class ever (but tbh understandable given your dislike of pallies XD). I was mostly referring to bishop when talking about classes that dont get invited to content, since well, this is a thread about bishops and our dependence on HS. And no, when discussing ethics its not just about whether something is inherently always evil or good, nor am i saying multiclienters are inherently always bad or good. That's just dumb.
I'm not saying bishop mules are always evil, but sometimes there ARE real implications to a server full of bishop mules. For example, bringing hs mule to 7F probably doesn't impact bishop mains since they live in skele anyway, but when bishop mains can't find regular content and thus can't really bishop content other than Auf and HT, then yah there are downsides to muling that we should recognize.

I'm not saying we should change muling HS (in fact please don't) but we have to recognize when people are negatively impacted by things we do.

 

Where's all the ethical single client bishop at? We shall stand together and prevent our job being replace by a basket soon!