Information February 2023 Balance Changes [Explained]

mard · Feb 22, 2023

beegoratto said: ↑

To me, personally, this is the biggest reason I’m frustrated by the change. I do not have a beginner mage and wouldn’t have the resources to make one for at least another 3 years (without NX and APR farming), so the change doesn’t really affect me.

What I find infuriating is the fact that bossing mages, which already struggle to find a place in the meta, aren’t allowed to make trade offs for the same advantages as a traditional washing attacker, as well as the fact that Auf is so blatantly left in the abysmal state that it currently is in (and has been since its release 6 months ago) and one of the main avenues for entering the fight as a mage has been removed instead of even attempting to make changes to the fight itself or address how unplayable mages are.

Let’s face it, beginner washing isn’t the reason people want to mule mages; people want to mule them because they bring nothing to the table. Even bishops actively played in Auf are little more than glorified Res mules. People don’t want to mule them in that fight because they now have the ability to wash to 20k; people want to mule them because there’s almost no difference between what an active bishop brings and what a mule brings (unless, surprise surprise, you can wash to 20k hp!)

Removing beginner washing to cut back on muling is treating the symptom, not the cause. If staff truly wants to see mages not muled, then why not give tools to mages to incentivize them to actually be played? The reason Bishops are actively played in Ht isn’t because they’re too hard to keep alive as a mule; they bring enough to the table to be considered worthy of an active player’s slot.

Beginner washing and muling mages are not the same issue and using muling as an excuse to make this change feels cheap to me.
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Just figured I'd add that bishops played actively (and well) in Auf are certainly quite a bit more than just res mules; having the bishop in the run noticeably shortens the run-time especially when played well.

Edit: the bishop I run auf regularly with does not have anywhere near 20k HP or even 10k HP and yet still adds immense value to the expedition.

beegoratto · Feb 22, 2023

mard said: ↑

Just figured I'd add that bishops played actively (and well) in Auf are certainly quite a bit more than just res mules; having the bishop in the run noticeably shortens the run-time especially when played well.

Edit: the bishop I run auf regularly with does not have anywhere near 20k HP or even 10k HP and yet still adds immense value to the expedition.
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That’s fair, although I would still make the argument that DP spam is an incredibly unfun mechanic to play around.

Vowels · Feb 22, 2023

beegoratto said: ↑

That’s fair, although I would still make the argument that DP spam is an incredibly unfun mechanic to play around.
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Fun is too abstract to argue about. Dispel spam is part of the fight and is meant to test the attentiveness and concentration of players; this game has plenty of AFK content and even Horntail (that is highly regarded for its mechanics) can be played in auto-pilot without mayor consequence. Just my opinion but the challenge auf introduces is refreshing.

beegoratto · Feb 22, 2023

Vowels said: ↑

Fun is too abstract to argue about. Dispel spam is part of the fight and is meant to test the attentiveness and concentration of players; this game has plenty of AFK content and even Horntail (that is highly regarded for its mechanics) can be played in auto-pilot without mayor consequence. Just my opinion but the challenge auf introduces is refreshing.
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I guess it depends on what aspect of the game you enjoy the most. It requires you to pay attention yes, but spending a significant amount of time just re-casting buffs is something I personally find to be a huge drag, but like you said fun is abstract.

Nise · Feb 28, 2023

Realized only after Alyosha 's post on another thread that I actually forgot to include some important charts in the Server Overview even though it had already been prepared.

I've edited the original thread to include these charts too!

Rainemard · Feb 28, 2023

Rainemard said: ↑

Real quick PSA here for the pallies: Achilles is currently bugged and doesn't work, so plan ahead with the amount of pots you bring + pet pot thresholds <3
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After further testing, it appears it's a visual bug alone, and seems to be power guard instead. I'm sure it'll get fixed next patch, but that takes the edge off at least! Just a heads up for those that see damage received numbers that were different before.

beegoratto · Feb 28, 2023

Rainemard said: ↑

After further testing, it appears it's a visual bug alone, and seems to be power guard instead. I'm sure it'll get fixed next patch, but that takes the edge off at least! Just a heads up for those that see damage received numbers that were different before.
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I believe this was already clarified here as well https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/achilles-is-not-functioning-properly.48888/

bienfu · Mar 12, 2023

Nise said: ↑

Realized only after Alyosha 's post on another thread that I actually forgot to include some important charts in the Server Overview even though it had already been prepared.

I've edited the original thread to include these charts too!
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people do auf?

TLE · Mar 30, 2024

Hi, i found this thread a bit late, the berserk calculation images link has died. Can you please reupload the berserk calculation for each skill level? Thank you very much ^^

fartsy · Mar 30, 2024

TLE said: ↑

Hi, i found this thread a bit late, the berserk calculation images link has died. Can you please reupload the berserk calculation for each skill level? Thank you very much ^^
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edit: my bad i didn't include formula

can be found here

TLE · Apr 1, 2024

fartsy said: ↑

edit: my bad i didn't include formula

can be found here
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Thank you so much for the re-upload, really appreciate it. I just recently made Dark Knight and have been closely studying this new Berserk revamp.

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