Here is another idea

Just disable going to FM in the maps that warp you back, much like how mini-dungeons work.

 

The use of FM to change channels and go back to the map you were on is a great function to gameplay.
With roughly only 100 people playing on the server at any given moment, the chances that two people are gonna be "fighting" over killing a specific mini boss at any given time and racing to cc to different channels is extremely low / nonexistant.

Kudos to the player who runs a timer for a mini boss and makes the effort to keep up with the spawn timer and kill that specific mini boss.

If that player utilizes FM access to kill all 4 channels before another player then spoils go to the victor. 2nd player should (if serious about the mini boss) be waiting in the map before the respawn.

If there were a lot more players online (1000+) and people actually hunted mini bosses on the regular then sure it could be looked at. But with only 100, most of who are either grinding away or pqing (or FM whoring ) you shouldnt have any trouble finding a mini boss to kill for the most part.

 

This can't be true. I've played consistently only for the last 11 days, and three times I can remember racing for bosses. One time at dyle where I was on c4 waiting for a boss, killed it and found another player killing c3 and the most recent time was at zmush, where there was a hermit ahead of me, so I went from c1>c4 because I knew I couldn't out race them.

I have no problem with not being kicked out of boss maps, I think the problem is more that its unintuitive. If the exploit is to be kept in, just remove the limits of cc'ing on these maps. I doubt I would of ever figured the trick out if I wasn't shown.

 

I think these are some great, thought out suggestions. But don't you think you're being overly critical for an old school MS -private server-?

 

Hah. Overly critical? It does seem like an exploit/abuse of FM button.

 

If you're gonna disable this you might as well disable using buffs in the FM. That's just as much an exploit/abuse/unGMS-like.

 

This just seems to me like a breach in the game rules that should be obviously and immediately fixed. When you automatically redirect a player if he changes channel, but "forget" to commit so when he teleports to FM and then CCs, that's an accidental loophole which breaks out due to the private server circumstances (having the trade/market button warp you to FM). This isn't about having the game harder or fair, it's about making it logical, and in order for it to be logical, one of the rules need to be cancelled.

 

But face it, if you're in a situation when you're not a hermit and racing another hermit for the kill... you're gonna lose in that situation regardless even if the exploit isn't there. So there's no benefit to you to take it out in a race you would lose either way.

If anything you as a non hermit benefit from this by being able to cc and NOT have to walk that distance in a different channel. Take out the exploit and you now have to cc and walk all those maps, and the hermit wI'll cc and FJ the whole way and pass you forcing you to again cc before you even reach the boss.

I can actually see hermits arguing to take the exploit out because they now lose the advantage of their class skill Flash jump to overtake people in a "race". Nonhermits benefit from this "exploit"

If you're a non hermit arguing to remove this funtion, you're arguing to give yourself a disadvantage rather than leave the function in and balance out the "racing" for all classes

 

I'm trying to be unbiased though. Yes, for me this bug is a good thing because I can camp all channels at once and not have to race if it comes down to it; but regardless, its hardly fair. The reason that it forced you out of these maps in the first place is to stop people camping bosses on multiple channels and giving everyone a chance. If the bug was patched then I would be forced to camp one channel, and the hermit camp another channel, just as it would of been in GMS.

A totally different situation tho, and having a HS/MW/w,e mule in FM is a little exploitative too. I just don't think its really relevant in this discussion.

 

What's stopping you from camping one channel and a hermit another channel right now?

Even with the fm function there, you still have to killthe boss before moving to the next channel. Just like GMS, you should do that right now too. The fm function doesn't prohibit you from doing that.

It's impossible to camp all four channels at once, fm function there or not.

 

It is relevant seeing as it comes from the same unGMS-like feature and the reason for having this removed for OP is it being exactly that.

 

How do people benefit from your idea? And why do people need more benefits?

 

Aha well I only see the downside of people having to walk/teleport/flashjump/whateveritisyoudotomovearound more and like bboko said kudos to the player that runs a timer.

My ideal would be remove the FM button completely and make the boss spawn times more random (instead of the 10% now maybe around 50%).

 

Even in GMS if you were hard core about hunting minibosses you had their spawn times on total lock down and you would still kill them all or at least 10-15 out of 20 channels depending on the popularity of their world.

All the casuals would be left in the same position.. QQing like because they would never find them unless they knew the respawn time on a particular channel and also chose to camp out in just that channel on time.

They could get lucky from time to time if they stumbled into another channel with a boss who just spawned ... but otherwise, GG.

 

While the FM use is most definitely a bit of an unfair advantage, also keep in mind something that has been brought up a few times.

Regardless of the FM trick, it's all about the timers in the end. Even with the FM use in mind, there are people who beat me to the channels anyway and took the boss spawn. This happened on live stream, so it's not necessarily saying that having the FM knowledge beneath your belt is an end-all. In all seriousness, I think that the FM usage makes it MORE fair for those who know about it, because then EVERYONE can compete with hermits in terms of racing to boss. The maps to Jrog and MM are long and tedious unless you're a hermit with FJ. Mages with Teleport have a bit of an easy time as well, but, FJ is the end-all in mobility spells as many have come to terms with. I think that one of the better courses of actions, implying they don't take the removal option, would be to properly educate everyone in the use of this.

You can argue this is publicly showing an exploit, yes, however; What does this take away from the experience Nostalgia withheld? It makes bosses more competitive in the sense of where it's not the hermits/NLs who have the large advantage when more than one person have the timer. While FJ/Teleport will still provide a small boost in speed, it's no where near as large due to the fact there aren't as many maps to traverse any longer.

I'm all for either option; Removal/Fixing or Education, I just figured that some of you would like to see another side of the spectrum. As someone who is a hermit and has the benefits of Flash Jump + Haste, I honestly think it'd be a little more balancing to keep it and let others know about it, but I can see the moral argument of needing to remove it as well.

This is all I have to say, and won't be replying to the topic any further. Hope you guys take this into mind, and have a great time Mapling.