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'Holy Shield' is NOT needed in PB

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Vowels, Apr 15, 2022.

  1. Vowels
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    Vowels Mr. Anchor

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    hello guys some time ago I made a suggestion about making bishop mains 'alright' in Pink Bean, what I wanna share today is something very related but I feel like it merits it's own thread because it's too important to leave it as a side note.

    As the title says, turns out that the supportive ability 'Holy Shield' isn't really needed in PB because all the seduces can be avoided with chairs. This discovery and strategy is meta changing and makes bishops 'Holy Shield' irrelevant and therefore100% resurrection mules.

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    If you don't get it, let me explain you briefly what's going on:
    - during statues phase 4 and 5 squads have to deal with Munin also known as the right bird
    - Munin seduces the first 10 or 15 people that enter the map
    - The seduces can be walk left or right or jump left or right
    - Munin needs to be isolated to deal with it
    - seduces can be catastrophic and end runs

    This is usually the hardest stage in pink bean and there's multiple strategies to clear it, from the biggest groups (30 mans) to the smallest (15~18man) Bishops 'Holy Shield' has always been required because the seduces are too dangerous.

    Let me describe you two strategies to deal with right bird:
    Pasta-1 squad used to bring 9 bishop mules to have permanent shield on attackers.
    Pasta-2 squad brings 6 bishops mules and makes use of 'Time Leap' to keep the shields up.

    The biggest shift happened today when Joseph (NightmareHS) told us about the chair strat.
    "what if I told you holy shield isn't needed and we can just sit 15 characters in the corner" and that's what we did, IT WORKS.

    What does this mean for our squad? We no longer need 9 bishop mule slots, therefore we can have the luxury of using at least 4 of those slots to bring more archmages or other kind of support mules like buccs or smoke. This is a significant buff.

    What does this mean for bishop? kekw
    Bishop in PB = 100% ress mule, you can bring a mule with holy shield level 0 if your squad adapts to this strat.
     
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    porl Pac Pinky

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    Another remarkable strategy discovered by Pasta, the most iconic trailblazers of the contemporary era

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    akashsky Horntail

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    Time for bishop mains to reroll into fire poison archmage.
     
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    UnknownCode Nightshadow

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    Wasn't it already known that sitting in a chair stops seduces movement?

    There was a Christmas GM event where we had to race to the other side of the map that would randomly trigger a seduce to attempt people from reaching the end, sitting in a chair would prevent that seduce however there were Jr. Pepe at some locations of the map that would walk into you to knock you off your chair.

    Anyone else remember this event?
     
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    Vowels Mr. Anchor

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    Yes sitting in a chair to avoid seduces isn't a novelty, it's been used in Horntail for years, however it's application in pink bean is.
    You see squads can't just tell everyone to sit, there's more into it. To make this strategy work a squad needs to know which chars will get seduced, which chars will get banished and also protect the chair bros from mini-beans touch. This requires planning entrance order and defense, plus this has to be done while taking down Munin.
    The thread is mostly about the balance implications since this strategy makes bishops in PB even more lackluster while also enabling stronger squads to become even stronger due to having more dps slots available (trading the multiclient bishop slots for multiclienting more damage dealers).
     
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    Fishy Skelegon Retired Staff

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    red light green light :")
     
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    iPippy Headless Horseman

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    The implication of this on other squads (even 30 man) that do not have enough hs for everyone, is that low statue dpm classes can meaningfully contribute by sitting in the timeout corner. Between mages, dks, and shads, that is a significant portion of a 30 man squad that can reduce impact of seds for minimal squad dpm loss, and anything lower than 30 man can stuff chair mules.

    This impacts the stronger, lower runner squads *more*, but can be utilized by the 30 mans. Should it stay? Ofc not :cool:
     
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Implement a map-wide attack to knock people off chairs, and now you run into the shifter/avoid issue. :^)
     
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    Mfw strongest job in the game is no longer viable in pink bean MapleF4
     
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    ryanlights Wolfspider

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    B>Chair with most HP/MP regen
     
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    Edann Mr. Anchor Retired Staff

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    "but it was already known it stops sed"
    Yeah good work detectives thanks for bringing it up. Now why hasn't your pb squad used this strat then?

    I LOVE MAPLELEGENDS CHAIRS !
     
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