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Hp washing, gear lending system

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by MapleRoly, Nov 17, 2019.

  1. MapleRoly
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    MapleRoly Slime

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    Hi, i have an idea about creating a lending system for Hp washing Gear witch will benefits all players =]

    for people who don't know whats HP Washing is i recommend this guide:
    https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/hp-washing-guide.3409/
    (regards to Pepsi)

    Ok, so basically the idea is that's player with good Hp wash gear, can lend their gear for players who need it, for a certain amount of time, (agreed upon by both sides),
    [will be better if you set the time using server time showed on main site], for a certain amount of cash (also agreed upon by both sides).

    for example:

    2019-11-17 (1).png
    so after the two sides agree upon the the first terms, the lender takes a detailed screen shots of the gear indicating their stats. to make show he have proof of ownership.
    2019-11-17.png the two sides trade the items for the set amount of time and money they agreed upon
    (recommended to be detailed in screen shots as well)
    2019-11-17 (2).png (P.S thanks Boxy for helping me with the Screen Shots :heartbeat:)

    when the times up, you give the gear back to the lender. this way people who have
    high int gear they don't use (maybe on another character ) can make some extra money (with out wasting time) while helping new players who want to wash hp and cant afford the gear themselves.
    (the options of landing gear can effect other parts of the game not just washing =])

    i think its a win win that will benefits both players and encourage more new people to join the server =]

    now this is just a whimsy idea i had and right now the BIGGEST problem with this idea is safety issues, i think there few different way we can tackle them:

    1) making sure that GM's can help with retrieving the gear and punishing those who abuse the faith that has been entrust in them and the system.

    2) actually making a new and unique in game system of gear lending (i'm not a coder so i know its kinda shitty for me to ask something so big).

    now as i said earlier, this is just a whimsy idea i had and the only reason i suggest it is because were a small community of players.

    i hope more people can build on this idea and recommend more ways to improve this system witch i think can benefit all of us =]


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    MapleRoly Slime

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    well for a follow up: as a system if lending could be a window like the trade with an extra slots to input the time and date of the end of the deal.
    when the items transfer it will have a small date and time with it like nx gear, and a special npc like the delivery man witch will save the items you lended for awhile.
     
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    1) GMs probably have better things to do lol not really *COUGH* GM BUFFSWHEN!?

    2) Doubt

    Also decent int gear is absurdly expensive i doubt new players would even have the money to afford to "rent" these items

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    Your idea sux
     
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    scam,do not lend a shit online unless you know the person irl
     
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    Hito Stone Golem

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    While MapleLegends relies on screenshots as evidence, for some reason, they are extremely easy to fake. All it takes is 5 minutes in any editing software.. say Photoshop.. by someone with even a little bit of experience to create a pixel perfect fake. So now I can fake a screenshot and submit it and get free gear?

    Or the GMs also check trade history paired with a screenshot? This gets out of hand fast.

    It was ruled years ago that you lend out gear at your own peril, if they scam you they get banned but you do not get your gear back.
     
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  6. ahotbanana
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    ahotbanana Game Moderator Staff Member Game Moderator

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    While I like the idea of this, Hito has pretty much hit the nail on the head with regards to its impracticality. Whilst we do have ways to verify the contents of a screenshot (ie. server logs), this isn't a quick or trivial process.

    As for implementing an in-game system for it, this would take a LOT of development work. Right now, at the very least, this isn't going to be enough of a priority to warrant the amount of work it would take.
     
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    MapleRoly Slime

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    first of all thank you all for replying to my post =]
    this idea is all about trying to come with a safe way to help new players advance without the hardship of buy/finding and scrolling the gear witch takes allot hard work.
    i'm not trying to tell players to just trade the're gear away 0.o , again this is just a whimsy idea i had and i wanted to know more about ways to make lending possible in game in.

    i hope everyone will have a great day =]
     
  8. LIM EWE SENG
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    LIM EWE SENG Blue Snail

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    I would need some int gears if you don't mind lending :) MapleRolyMapleRoly
     
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    I mean...how do you expect gear lending to be carried out without trading? The item's got to get to the borrower somehow. Even if the lender does not intend to give the gear away, it's not really up to them whether they get it back or not, is it?

    The reality is it's impossible to do this in a way that is guaranteed to be "safe" with the server's resources. By all means, lend your gear if you wish, but do so at your own risk and know that you must rely on an honour system

    I'd argue it's kind of against the spirit of an old school server like this to find a way to guarantee the safety of gear trading anyway. Aside from the obvious "this isn't how GMS worked", this server has taken measures to make sure that, though HP washing is technically optional, those who wash will still benefit. Hypothetically, if such a system was in place to guarantee the safety of int gear trading, it wouldn't be fair to those who had to work so hard for their int gear imo

    Such a change would also dramatically affect the economy of the server. Why not just share a few sets of int gear across the entire server? Why even bother making int gear anymore unless it's for a mage? Why bother scrolling that 75wa claw when you can just borrow or even rent someone's? This list could go on forever

    I commend your looking out for the new players on the server. Again, you are free to lend out gear if you want to. Just know that if someone decides to keep it, you will have no recourse
     
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    In addition to the concerns about practicality and photo-editing brought up by staff members (which are more prominent anyway), I wonder how many people would even be comfortable lending out their INT gears for money to random people to start. I know from experience that many people are often reluctant to lend out INT gears even to those they've known for a long time haha. As you said in your original post, if GMs could help with retrieving lost gear due to scamming that would negate this issue, but as it currently stands I'm pretty sure you could get someone banned for scamming you of your gears and you still wouldn't get them back. For lenders it's a lot of risks in exchange for a relatively small reward. And a lot of time consumed by the staff for sure

    That being said I wish this were practical, would be huge for newer players
     
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    Your idea is very cute and I commend your bravery in putting it out there, many other players have thought of it as well...
    But the best solution is just to get to know good people, and to share goodness all around <3

    Personally I have 98% worked for my level up int, 2% gotten help from guildmates/ friends, in the form of int equips and Maple Warrior!
    And I'm not very active, so it's already quite remarkable.
     
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    troublesome for gm
    not fair to old players like me
    pepefrog disagrees
     
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    This system will lead us to the bald ending
     
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    So many scam possibilities. Find people who don't speak perfect english, but knows maplestory. Sell them an equip below market price. Let them think they got a good deal. One week later they'll report their equips gone missing and you got some sweet free mesos.
     
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    MapleRoly Slime

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    again thank you all for replying to my post, this was a far-fetched idea of mine. =]
    i understand the difficulties and mostly agree with Katia
     

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