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HP Washing Help App (Companion)

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by Nise, Mar 7, 2018.

  1. fredaaaaa
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    it's the amount of int from int gears when it levels~
     
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    *Based on the new figures you DM-ed me*

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    Current Lvl: 154
    Current Base HP (no items): 7771
    Current Base MP (no items): 4093
    Job: NL
    310 INT total
    Desired HP: 15k (is this even possible LOL)
    By what lvl?: Just wanna know whats the highest hp I can get by 175 with regular washing
     
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    To hit 18k HP u need another 486 - 613 AP resets (add on how much you have to wash rn + the base int kek). You defo won't have the MP for that unless you MP wash... but you only have 180 base int, so even with MP washing, it'll take ages... #notworth

    As for your HP at 175, if you level with 310 int, you'll have:
    • 203 wash worth of MP
    • BUT you only get 105 fresh AP from leveling to 175
    • With 105 AP pumped into HP @ 175 = 9,871 - 10,375 hp
    You still have 98 washes worth of MP, but you won't be using fresh AP. Instead you would

    1. Add 1 AP to HP
    2. AP reset (- MP >>> + HP)
    3. After you finish (no more - MP), then AP reset (-HP to main stat)
    But as a thief you won't get the as much HP as you would from the fresh AP method... I'm not sure of the numbers for this so I can't go further with your math... Trying to figure out a way to get this info (maybe from GM), if I figure it out, I'll try to give you an update on it :p (unless you hit 175 by then lulz)
     
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    it's +16 hp for the infinite mp to hp loop method
     
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    Current Base HP (no items): 432
    Current Base MP (no items): 196
    Job: Bowman, to be Marksman

    Desired HP: 15K
    By what lvl?: 130

    STR: 5
    DEX: 25
    INT: 10
    LUK: 5
     
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    Current Base HP (no items): 1274
    Current Base MP (no items): 1077
    Job: Assassin

    Desired HP: 12,000
    By what lvl?: 160

    STR: (4 + 3) 7
    DEX: (25 + 3) 28
    INT: (166+3) 169
    LUK: (5 + 3) 8

    P.S: Total Int from Equips: 73 int (lvl 30), 80 int (lvl 45), 85 int (lvl 50)
     
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    MP washing is the way to go for you. Reset some luk into int to reach like 140 base int.
    Level up: 5 stats into mp. Wash 4 stats from mp to luk. Wash as much as possible from mp to hp.
    NOTE: you leave 1 stat in the hp/mp pool to be able to was mp into hp as you need 1 stat in the pool to be able to wash anything from mp or hp.
    From that point, when you level up:
    5 stats to mp, wash 5 stats from mp to luk. Wash mp into hp as much as possible. Also wear your int gear when you level.

    Assuming you have enough int gear to make it to 240 int when you level (should be easy enough):
    24 mp from level up, 5*14-2 =60 mp from mp washing.
    84/12 = 7 washes each level.
    Wash mp -> hp = 16 hp each wash, resulting in 16*7 = 112 hp each level from washing (not including the hp you gain from lvling up).
    On average you gain 20 hp from leveling up, resulting in 132 hp each level.
    (5600-4402)/132 = 9,08, meaning that you should reach your goal at level 165 if RNG is in your favour, 166 if it's not.

    NOTE: the reason people try to avoid mp washing is because it's more nx-heavy and washing is expensive enough as it is. For people like you (and me) however, it's the way to go when you wanna reach ht hp asap.
    Don't feel bad about having some base int still. Most current NLs are sitting on base int. It's something I had to get over for myself too, but now that I've gained 1k hp in 8 levels I'm really glad that I started it.
     
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    For your thief, from just natural HP gain from levelling, you should be able to hit 5.6k HP which is the bare minimum for HT. You could go for more, but if you only have 100 int while levelling, 5.6k HP goal by 155 seems to be the best you can do. You might be a few MP short, but in that case you can just wait a few more levels, but you should defo be able to wash out by 160.

    As for your brawler...

    • 306 AP stuck in HP
    • Enough MP for 61 washes
    • Need 3,920 MP to be able to wash out clean
    • If leveling with 120 INT (12 MP per level) = impossible...
    • You'll still have like 200 AP stuck in HP by Lvl 165
    You need better int gears... probably an egged HTP if you haven't gotten it already, or just pump a ton of base int until lets say Lvl 165 (will get you to 170 INT roughly) and then use that to MP wash for the levels after that to get enough MP. At this point you'll hit 18.75k HP by Lvl 155, so you could probably even take some points out of HP into MP to help with that MP washing. But... it's a long long longggg road ahead of you...
     
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    In case you weren't bothered to do the math yourself ranran, then with that loop method you'll end up with: 11,439 - 11,943 HP by your goal

    SaaySaay: the app only works for Lvl 30 onwards cus Lvl 0 - 30 is a different formula! Sorry!
     
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    You'll need to MP wash to get enough MP to reach 12k HP. That requires very specific individual math, which isn't supported by the app (at least for now!)
     
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    Thank youuuu! I'll probably leave the brawler alone for the time being lol
     
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    Heya fellow hybrid Pally! Need some help here for my first hp-washed character.

    Current Lvl: 107
    Current Base HP (no items): 9934
    Current Base MP (no items): 1370
    Job: Page

    Desired HP: 30,000
    By what lvl?: as soon as reasonably possible

    STR: 297
    DEX: 20
    INT: 50 (+92 with ints)
    LUK: 5

    Have 145 unused APs atm
     
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    Why not just add a download link for your program instead of having people comment and wait for you do to the work? Would be better in the long run.
     
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    As I put in the long explanation, its cus I'm self teaching myself programming :p I have the bare bones of the app, you can run it thru terminal or cmd, but there isn't a proper app for it yet. I'm self teaching myself the GUI part now hahaha

    In the meantime, I wanted to see if the bones of the programme were working and figure out what things I should also try to include - which is where all the feedback comes in. I've figured out two major elements I should add in once I figure out the GUI stuff. I'd upload it if I can, but there's nothing that's uploadable haha ^^

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    Hai fellow Pally :D hope you've been enjoying thee class so far, and just a little while longer till you get to the real fun with the Heaven's Hammering :D

    Anyway, so from the App, i'd say around 150-155 is when you'll hit it, based on how lucky you are with your HP gain from your AP resets ^^
     
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    Thanks for this! Would you recommend me pumping clean AP into HP? How I've been doing is that since I am levelling with 140 int in total, I get 14 extra mp per lvl (since 10 int = 1 extra mp when lvling). And since every AP reset decreases 4 MP, I basically get 3 washes every level.

    So I pump 3 fresh AP into HP, 2 AP into STR. And each time I get an AP reset, I take out 4MP to add into STR (to make up for the 3 AP pumped into HP).

    Is this the best way to go about washing? I'm self-leeching until I get good HH so damage is not a concern for me.
     
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    You will have 2 extra mp every level, so every other level youll be able to wash 1 more time.
     
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    Thank you so much~ I never learned how to hp wash in my years of playing so I'm counting on you~

    Current Lvl: 47
    Current Base HP (no items):2310
    Current Base MP (no items):816
    Job:Crossbowman

    Desired HP:No idea, I just want to do mp wash, but maybe best to survive toad? so 15k i guess
    By what lvl?: 170

    STR:base str 43, with gears 47
    DEX:Base dex 124, with gears 33
    INT:Base int 84, with gears+ mw20; 190
    LUK:base luk 4, with gears 7
    Unused AP:0
     
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    With the way you have it now, i thinkkkkk it'll be a bit difficult to reach 15k HP.

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    So ^ that isn't possible with traditional HP washing. If you level with 190 int till Lvl 170~ You can get 194 washes worth of MP. You still need like 300-450 more washes from MP washing.

    I haven't done it myself, but the theory is you add +1 AP into MP and then subtract it back out. You'll gain (base mp/10)-2 from it, which will let you wash some more. This works best with superrrrrr high base int. Let's say you have 230 base INT, then you'll get 21 MP (which is around 1.75 washes for a archer).

    But you only have 84 base int, so MP washing will only net you 6 MP (0.5 wash). So you'll need to do that 600-900 times just to get enough MP to HP wash.

    My suggestion:
    • Lower your HP goal
    • Maybe add in more base int to give you a cushion later if you decide you do wanna MP wash
     
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    Current Lvl: 145
    Current Base HP (no items): 18846
    Current Base MP (no items)
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    Job: A smashing Pally

    Desired HP: 25,000 or 30,000 if possible

    INT:Base int 25, with gears+ mw; 110
    Unused AP: 60
     

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