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HP Washing Helper

Discussion in 'Help & Advice' started by Hyoon, Oct 18, 2017.

  1. Heps
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    Desired HP:7,600
    Current Level:41
    Desired Level: 155
    Job: Assassin
    Current Base Int: 30
    Total Int from Equips: 60
    Current Base MP: 923
    Current HP: 1377
    Additional Information: I've started off with 10 int at level one, smashed 30 base at lv 5. at around 25 Been having 40-50 INT, after 30 been using 60 INT. Will upgrade to zhlem +10 int and deputy star at 50. Total int at 50 will be around 80-90.
     
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    Thanks bro! appreciate this very much. :D
     
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    Desired HP: 30000 (with HB & deputy)
    Current level: 72
    Desired level: 130
    Job: DK
    Current base int: 38
    Total int from equips: 62
    Current base mp: 551
    Current HP: 7892 (excl deputy)

    Will I make it? If I go on like this, at what level will I make it? How much extra int will I need to make it?

    How many washes (nx) will I need?
     
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    Hey Hyoon,

    Thank you so much for this

    Desired HP: 13,000
    Current Level: 47
    Desired Level: 135
    Job: Brawler
    Current Base Int: 105
    Total Int from Equips: 133, without MW but getting zak helm at level 50 hopefully 15 int
    Current Base MP: 1260
    Current HP: 1955 Base
    Additional Information: don't know if ill have MW when leveling up every time
     
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    How much magic damage pink bean dealt? I assumed PB is the final boss for mapleLegend.
     
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    Assuming you want to survive toad boss, you'd probably need somewhere near 16k.
    Making it about 10k base HP to survive the boss.

    At 180 the minimum HP is as follows
    20*180+378 = 3978 HP

    MP you'll gain from leveling up
    20*170 = 3400 MP
    3400/12 = 284 washes

    284 Washes equates to
    @ 16 HP = 284*16 = 4544 HP
    @ 18 HP = 284*18 = 5112 HP

    Totaling to
    4544+3978 = 8522 HP
    5112+3978 = 9090 HP
    Respectively

    So you are generally close,

    @ 16 HP
    Requiring
    10000-8522 = 1478 HP
    1478/16 = 92 washes
    92*12 = 1104 MP required

    @ 18 HP
    10000-9090 = 910 HP
    910/18 = 51 washes
    51*12 = 612 MP required

    So the best method is most likely to MP wash.
    However I do not exactly know your base INT as you didn't follow my format.
    It's very easy tho, just use this equation:
    (BASE INT/10) - 2
    This will show you how much MP you will gain for every time you MP wash.
    Then divide the MP required by the calculations above by the MP you will gain for MP washing.
    This will then show you how many MP washes you need to do.

    Example:
    Assuming you have 100 base INT.
    You will gain 8 MP per MP wash (using the formula above).
    612/8 = 77 MP washes or 15 levels and 2 additional washes
    1104/8 = 138 MP washes or 27 levels and 3 additional washes.

    These calculations are all based on the assumption you want to reach a goal of 10K Base HP, and will be able to maintain a general 200 INT until level 180.

    *Self Reference, on #15*
     
  8. OP
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    Hyoon Zakum Retired Staff

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    Reminder to read the important things to note.
    This does not mean my calculations are wrong, but it's the absolute safest bet in order to 100% meet your goals.
     
  9. kalash
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    Is MP washing possible for NL too? Like.. if I have 200 base int on my NL and I just spend a shit ton of washes, can I use MP washing (add an mp with level ap or an ap reset from luk into mp, remove an mp with a wash) to reach whatever hp goal I have without leveling? That would make my high level hp problems so much less.

    I see many people talking about it, but I always thought it was just for mages
     
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    Desired HP: 12k
    Current Level:0
    Desired Level: 155-160
    Job: thief (NL)
    Current Base Int: 0
    Total Int from Equips:0
    Current Base MP: 0
    Current HP: 0
    Additional Information: So yeah thinking of remaking my NL, have no intgear atm since i sold all, but was thinking of getting Around 100 maybe? Base int is not problem can add as much as needed.
     
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    What you're asking for is literally impossible.
    Even if you reset the all your stats into INT right now and have 620 INT.
    You would only get 60MP per MP wash, resulting in 1500 MP over 5 levels.
    In addition to 62 MP per level, resulting in 310 MP.

    You would need about 500 washes to get to your goal, and in under 5 levels is impossible.

    It may be possible in later levels, but because your character is already considerably high level already it will be extremely hard.
    You will be losing a lot of time (waiting for NX), and a lot of damage because you will need a great deal of INT.

    I personally would not recommend you doing this, if you do wish to get 13k HP then go create a new character.
     
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    Desired HP: 11k
    Current Level:103
    Desired Level: 155
    Job: Hermit
    Current Base Int: 130
    Total Int from Equips: 200 (130+70)
    Current Base MP: 2425
    Current HP:3667
     
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    Desired HP: 12.5k
    Current Level: 112
    Desired Level: 200
    Job: Hermit
    Current Base Int: 106
    Total Int from Equips: 200 (planning to get HTP)
    Current Base MP: 2253
    Current HP: 4664
    Additional Information: Will add additional base INT to cap at 240 total with HTP.
     
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    Desired HP: 5700
    Current Level: 103
    Desired Level: 140
    Job: Chief Bandit
    Current Base Int: 4
    Total Int from Equips: 27
    Current Base MP: 1679
    Current HP: 2876
    Additional Information: Unsure if I need to HP wash at all as a bandit considering we have Meso Guard already, but just in case.
     
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    Firstly let's see how much higher you are than the minimum HP.
    20*79+378 = 1958 HP
    3854-1958 = 1896 HP

    So using this as a benchmark, lets see the minimum you'll have at 165.
    20*165+378+1896 = 5574

    Lets see if you have any excess MP
    14*79+148 = 1254 MP
    1345-1254 = 91 MP

    Continuing with your current base INT, and equips.
    165-79 = 86 Levels
    86*12 = 1032 MP
    1032+91 = 1123 MP
    1123/12 = 94 Washes

    94*16 = 1504 HP (min)
    94*18 = 1692 HP (avg)

    So at 165 you can expect anywhere from 7078~7266 HP (Assuming that you get the minimum amount for leveling).
    This number will definitely be higher probably around 7500~7600.

    But you are still missing 2734 HP, if we follow the min just to be safe.
    2734/16 = 171 washes
    171*12 = 2052 MP needed

    If you mp wash now you'll gain 7MP per wash.
    This would be 294 MP washes needed, or equivalent to 59 levels.
    You'd finish at level 138.

    You can add slightly more base INT, to make your MP washing more effective.
    But this may only save you 5-6 washes overall, as you'd have more INT to wash out anyways.

    So totaling everything it'd take you:
    294 MP washes + 171 Washes to reach 10k + 94 Washes at 165 + 92 to wash out INT = 651 washes.
     
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    294 mp wash thats alot.. over 1 year of vote..
    I started to add more base int now i have 161 if ill have 200 and more 4 int on gear + htp at lvl 120 i think i wont need to mp wash mybe only a little.. and it will take 6 months of vote not 1 year
     
  17. OP
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    Even if you had 200 total INT at level 79.
    86*20 = 1720 MP
    This is only 600 MP higher than previously, you would still need to MP wash.

    2052 MP needed - 600 MP higher = 1452 MP needed
    At 161 base INT, you'll get 14 MP per mp wash.
    1452/14 = 104 mp washes or 20 levels and 4 washes.

    This totals to
    104 MP washes + 171 Washes to Reach 10K + 94 Washes at 165 + 157 to wash out INT = 526 washes

    Yes it does cost less, but you will hold onto more INT for longer. (Before weaker)
     
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    Help me Pls Really need help
     
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    Min HP @ 139
    20*139+378 = 3158 HP
    5490-3158 = 2332 HP excess

    Min HP @ 139
    14*139+148 = 2094
    2149-2094 = 55 MP excess

    155-139 = 16 levels
    Assuming that you keep this total INT till 155
    16*24 = 384 MP

    384+55 = 439 Total MP by 155
    439/12 = 37 Washes

    Min HP @ 155
    20*155+378 = 3478 HP
    3478 +2332 = 5810 HP < atleast this amount by 155 (This will almost be 100% higher)

    37*16 = 592 HP min
    37*18 = 666 HP avg

    5810+592 = 6402 HP
    5810+666 = 6476 HP

    You'll have around 6.4K by 155.

    Post: #19
     
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    This is a strong criticism I have; I'm open to other criticisms to my view.
    When I see such ambitious HP goals, so much base int pumped in to achieve such goals, I think to myself: Is this still really even fun? Your character does no damage. Is it really that fun to leech your way to a desired level, watching your character level up by itself without doing anything?
    Do you really need so much HP in the first place? Such ambitious HP goals imply a mindset of : " I don't need a DK to boss anymore, I can solo it as I have enough HP". This is the exact same "solo" mentality that brought the current Maplestory down.
    Look, my point is this. I feel people are losing sight of the real meaning and reason why they play Maple in the first place, to have fun and possess an appropriate level of accomplishment. I genuinely believe that playing the game as it is, adding AP to your respective appropriate stats and watching your character's damage increase slowly and become stronger each day is much more meaningful, rather than resorting to a hellish method to reach an end-goal, losing all sorts of fun in the process.
    The journey counts a lot more than the end-result.
     

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