Ideal single target DPM ranking.

Hello guys, I wanted to make this post to see what you guys thought would be the “ideal” single target damage placement. I’ll start it up with my very own list. I decided to not include mages since truth be told I don't have much of an opinion on them yet. Feel free to add them. As a disclaimer I don't think there should be a “massive” difference between each class, this is merely how the game would make more sense IMO.


1. Corsair
2. Pally on fire/holy weak mobs
3. NL
4. MM on damage reduction (pb body) / Shads on wep cancel /dr bosses (tied on high def + wep cancel/dr, below if only wep cancel/dr)
5. BM
6. MM (slightly lower gap between BM and MM on high wep def)
7. Shad on normal bosses/ Buccaneer on high defense bosses
8. Buccaneer on low defense
9. Paladin elemental neutral pally
10. Hero/DK (If cleave content was relevant)


Rationale:

Corsair: Big no brainer, Playing them requires extra effort compared to other classes and there is a certain degree of skill expression. They basically currently fit in this role with the exception of PB where NLs are superior.

Pally: The whole niche about the class should be being strong at elemental weak bosses but would be too strong if they performed at this level at every element so at least this level of damage should be achieved on fire and holy weak( They should still be up there on other elements).

Nightlord: They have very high damage uptime/base dmg and perform and should perform at a high level in essentially every boss.

MM: Placed higher than BM in this scenario since it would make sense for them to shine here plus they are reliant on SI while BM is good raw.

Shads: Shads should also have their content where they are considered specifically good. This would allow them to truly shine in some bosses most notably PB. They should also be below BM/MM since they have a higher damage uptime.

BM: Should be better than MM in most “dummy bosses” but leaving room for MM to excel

Buccaneer: Buccaneers have a key role in pinning, provide TL and SI. This spot for the class is what would make the most sense. Still good/relevant damage but not above classes who provide less benefits.

Hero/DK: These two are quite complicated. Before I speak much about DK I'd like to see what the xmas patch has for us. Hero inherently has a sound role in pre bb but the content route legends decided to go for doesn’t endorse cleaving. Assuming there was good cleaving content, heroes would already be considered an S tier class. It's hard for me to place them high on the single target damage since they do in theory have their niche.

 

Do you mean current shadower or my "ideal scenario". I do agree with you, I feel like buccs don't make much sense but I think a big part of that is due to how shit some classes are not not inherently with the amount of damage they do. I actually calculated what shadowers dpm would be assuming cracked gear. I assumed 23 att gloves, 150 att dagger, 35 att shield 15 att cape and the highest dpm they can achieve is around 9.9m. It would make a lot more sense for buccaneers to do that damage than shadowers imo.

I think if we're talking strictly of what makes sense to me it doesn't make sense that buccs, pally on elemental neutral, heroes on single target do more ST than shads. According to my calculations the gap seems quite nasty too. sub 10m on that level of funding is pretty tragic.

 

Doing as low damage as a shad is a punishment no class deserves kek, it was even worse than what I originally thought.

 

I still disagree. The damage gap is too big where the dmg up time is not even close to being "enough". Avoid plus shifter for shads is roughly 80% stance. Warriors have 90% stance , plus higher single target damage. Archers have lower damage uptime but not as low as many imply. They have range and need to readjust less while having some avoid and higher dmg overqll, corsairs damage is so high than even at a boss like ht they can still be the best performer despite ship breaks and lower avoid, NLs have similar avoid rate and infinitely more damage. I don't think im exagerating how bad it is. For reference i calculated the dmg a shad would do with extreme fundng and their ceiling is just shy of 10m even when i took into account a one of a kind item (35 att shield) that's miles behind other classes and their dmg uptime is not even close to compensating for that. Straight up shad might be the only attacker whose single target dunmy is close to 10m (i verified my calculations by comparing actual dpms and their given range vs the calculated). Also shdowers shouldn't be really using bstep at HT so their iframes limit to the party wide smoke. I'm genuinely curious to what my extreme copium is when i think it's fairly obvious how far behind shads are.

The whole narrative seems to be that shadowers are fine because they aren't "bad enough" or they have some likeable characteristics like avoid and reduced pot costs just like NL has, or their independence when in reality they'd still perform at a very similar level/worse than classes not using their "needed buffs" (excluding nl on se) while we also forget their dependence on active bishops to maximize their dmg in many scenarios or their insane 7f rates when heroes and dk do better or their cleaving when it's literally half the dmg a hero or dk does or the dmg uptime they have when they still perform significantly worse on their "godly" dmg up time.

If the dmg uptime gap would ever compensate for the dmg gap, i'm sure it would be obvious in your quoted scenarios. Shads still suck at ht, they still do less statue damage than other classes.

 

I'm not making an argument for what's better, i'm merely making a point regarding damage uptime. I agree avoid is nicer.

 

Wanted to clarify this. I mostly pulled this number from memory. In terms of what it should be for legends I took a lvl 200 shad stats and with the info given here calculated it https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/maplelegends-avoidability-formula.26694/ avoid plus shifter should be around 79% for shads, I could be wrong on this I'm looking forward for someone to correct this information if it is in fact wrong. (I'm not entirely sure how shifter would be factored in but from raw avoid it should be roughly 65%)