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Long awaited post- GET RID OF CANCEL WA/MA

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by bienfu, Dec 7, 2023.

What should we do with WA

This poll will close on Nov 21, 2024 at 9:05 PM.
  1. Leave it be, it is perfectly fine, it is impeccable design

    19.7%
  2. Give options to dispel (i.e. DK/Crusader/WK power,armor,magic crash, etc) or reduce duration

    47.0%
  3. Buff mages to be strong enough attackers to warrant bringing them into bossruns (KEKW)

    13.6%
  4. Get rid of it completely

    18.2%
  5. Get rid of it completely and buff boss HP

    16.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. pharaoh
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    pharaoh Master Chronos

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    Beaters
    Some sort of limit to the number of times a boss can cancel within a given timeframe could also be a consideration, to minimize the scenarios where one prehead might clear with no cancels while the second might cancel 10 times.
     
    • Agree Agree x 12
  2. CaptainNemo
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    CaptainNemo Mr. Anchor

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    CaptainNemo
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    A WC/MC cooldown period would be a QoL change I think people could get behind. I know it would make awful fights like Pianus less of a time gate.

    Another option could be adjust the boss fights to have an event occur that is triggered by WC/MC activating, IE mob spawn that killing the mobs removes WC/MC. That would have more engagement than simply waiting for it to end.
     
    • Creative Creative x 2
  3. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    Add a cooldown to WC/MC but every attack that hits it shortens the cooldown (like DR but less punishing).

    Also while we’re at it every death to DR also shortens the cooldown. :^)
     
    • Great Work Great Work x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
    • Creative Creative x 1
  4. HarleyEllis
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    HarleyEllis Pac Pinky

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    Harlez
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    200
    Gotta sneak those BM buffs in, smart
     
  5. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    This would be a colossal BM nerf
     
  6. HarleyEllis
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    HarleyEllis Pac Pinky

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    Harlez
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    OH I read that inside out as shortens the cancel omg truly selfless
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
  7. HimeHam
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    HimeHam Pac Pinky

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    also a good reason for sairs to sit around during boat cooldown
     
  8. OP
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    bienfu
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    bienfu Pac Pinky

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    I don't think people having differing opinions about means it would be hard to make changes. I think that the number of people [extremely] unhappy or annoyed with how it currently is would indicate that any change would be considerably more well-received than doing nothing.

    I think any of the other 4 choices I listed above have their pro's and con's, but while I have a favorite, I would prefer any of the alternative choices over doing nothing.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  9. OmbReanrd
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    OmbReanrd Dark Stone Golem

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    8:20 PM
    Fara
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    This is a nice idea "active cease fire"
    The issue i take with that is that during WC is a good time to charge bucc bubble to 99% for stance as soon as dps can bang in.
    Also new meta such as magnet pinning and hammer give -49999s to cd gg
     
  10. beegoratto
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    beegoratto Zakum

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    leetoratto
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    Yeah it was a joke suggestion, I think it's a terrible idea. You raise a good point about charging too.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
  11. fartsy
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    fartsy Zakum

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  12. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    This would be an interesting replacement for DR.

    10x heal and 50% chance to reflect 30k damage
     
    • Great Work Great Work x 1
  13. Subterlabor
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    Subterlabor Headless Horseman

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    Thatd be hilarious watching a huge chunk of the boss heal as all BM die at the same time
     
  14. Subterlabor
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    Subterlabor Headless Horseman

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    I feel like there are some bosses where its fine (HT) and some that are highly over tuned for how much/often/how long they cast wc. Scarga is pointless as range as you will almost always be hitting a wc, Zak can make a 20min run in 30-35+ just from wc alone. I think there is room to improve with how often the bosses cast it, itd be interesting to see wc/mc changed in zak to something else like sed, dispel, or even damage reflect could be interesting (although maybe hardcore for a 135 boss) to showcase active bishops. Currently the only time I bring an active bish into scarga, krex, zak is if an ally member needs it or we're doing a pepega run just to help the low level guildys get into a run
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Not just BMs tho. Any BM worth their salt doesn't die to DR already anyways.
    30k HP characters would also be susceptible to dying if they hit during DR.

    Would be interesting to see how runners deal with it because buccs wouldn't be able to hold aggro while DR is up.
     
  16. Golboy
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    Golboy Red Snail

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    MrYoni
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    Here is an idea, keep the WC but add a new feature that will randomly choose 5-10 Skills from the entire job pools, then if all of those skills are used during the time of the WC it breaks, this can lead to a much much more job inclusive gameplay and break the NL boss meta, since now a more diverse party will do more dmg anyway,
     
    • Creative Creative x 2
  17. Daydreamer
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    Daydreamer Headless Horseman

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    I/L Arch Mage
    If you're worried about WC just bring mages with you.
     
  18. Subterlabor
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    Subterlabor Headless Horseman

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    Yeah that angel ray will show third bod zak who's boss
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  19. OP
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    bienfu
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    bienfu Pac Pinky

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    how nice buffing mage as attackers is one of the poll options
     
  20. -ovv
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    -ovv Horntail

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    Why would you bring mages when you can just do more damage with a second attacker while WC is down.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1

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