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Make meso guard cost more; in line with pot cost increase and meso sink

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by TORONTOTOKYO, Nov 27, 2023.

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  1. Yay

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  1. TORONTOTOKYO
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    TORONTOTOKYO Windraider

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    Hi all, I would like to suggest an increase in the mesos used for meso guard, in line with pot cost increase and inflation. mages/warriors/archers/sairs suffer from higher pot costs and NLs higher recharge costs. but what about shads? are they overlooked?

    As for buccs, I am not too sure how to make them cost more in terms of pots, so i would leave that for another day.
     
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  2. brunandes
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    brunandes Windraider

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    For bucc:
    Reverting avoid formula would be a start.
    Reverting ST duration would be even more effective.
     
  3. Alyosha
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    Alyosha Skelegon Retired Staff

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    make pickpocket steal money from buccs for meso guard
     
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  4. brunandes
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    brunandes Windraider

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    About time pickpocket does something real.
     
  5. RegalStar
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    RegalStar Nightshadow

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    At this point, it takes only 8976 HP for Meso Guard to be more expensive than Honsters in terms of damage alleviated/meso cost.
     
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  6. Subterlabor
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    Subterlabor Wolfspider

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    Pointless Nerf
     
  7. akashsky
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    akashsky Horntail

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    New meta, wash to 30k hp so you don't need to use meso guard, and get a small dpm boost because you no longer need to waste time casting it.
     
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  8. ryanlights
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    Shadowers are Thieves too.
     
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    the proposition is that pot cost/star recharge increase affected classes disproportionately. and the 2 classes that slipped thru are shads and buccs.
     
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  10. Subterlabor
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    Subterlabor Wolfspider

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    Sounds like another NL crying for others to get nerfed because of cwkpq bonus
     
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  11. Raso
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    Raso Slimy Retired Staff

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    As a shad main I do agree shads are relatively cheap, but this nerf would be uncalled for.

    Mages and warriors generally can take more damage (generally, due to washing), shads require MG to take lower or similar damage and already pay for that. Archers are indeed more expensive, but they bring utility that our dearly overrated nightlords "require" and thus have an advantage in terms of joining content, on top of a higher DPM.
    Nightlords...Have literally nothing to complain about. Your stars arent that expensive and potwise, you might even use less than shads. Why? Because its a ranged class, shads are often very close to the touch damage area, or even inevitably hug the boss`s body while the NL is safely out of range.

    I agree buccs might be a little too good at the moment, but I highly doubt your suggestions are the way to go. Not all classes are equal, and not all should be.
     
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  12. HarleyEllis
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    We refund the squad for our reduced pot cost with pickpocket.
     
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    Your dedication to crying NLs is very impressive.
     
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  14. Subterlabor
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    *blush* thank you
     
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    TORONTOTOKYO Windraider

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    Thanks for the agreement.
     
  16. brunandes
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    Did you just say NL may be less expensive than shads? What stars do you think everyone is using? Subis?
     
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    You shouldn't only read what you want to be hearing to make your arguments.
    It's pretty clear they said that potwise they think NLs might be using less potions than shads. This is not accounting for recharge costs obviously
     
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    maybe stand a bit further away, given its a ranged class.

    Anyway...
    at max skill MG gives a 78% cost per the dmg line.
    So that means that on 1k dmg, it gets 50% to 500dmg and so we pay 390mesos.


    iirc some cwkpq bosses do like 2.5k dmg on touch, so thats by basic math 1.25k (50%) as dmg and a cost of 975mesos.
    Unsure on how long it takes to clean on avg, but iirc like 15-20mins on warrior boss (where most likely shad stands) ??
    take dmg every 3seconds (after dmg hit ur godmode) thats 20hits per minute (given ur shad 40% shifter) thats 11-12 hits per minute. (give or take depends on ur avoid)

    So, on avg maybe you get hit 11*15 to 11*20 times to clear 165 - 220 times.
    Throw the mesos in, we consume 150k to 210k alone on Meso Guard usage to 50% the dmg we get hit on.
    Add in pots cost and whatever.
     
  19. brunandes
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    What's the point of comparing purely pot cost and not factoring other costs? Thats not even a valid comparison.
     
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  20. Subterlabor
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    maybe we should remove alchemist altogether. Having 200% return on pots is an unfair advantage when all other classes face expensive pot costs
     
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