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MapleLegends' future economy solution

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by DivineArrow, Dec 6, 2017.

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    I literally said exactly that.
     
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    I actually suggested the owl part a while back :blackalien: However, it was not very well received [​IMG]

    Owls-purchasable-for-mesos-suggestion <---
     
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    I also think the Owl for mesos is a good idea, but who determines the price? And how? Do you just say, well, people already buy Owl/smega service in FM for 500k, so let's use that?

    Either way you slice it, it's gonna be arbitrary.
     
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    Instead of decreasing amount of nx you get daily. What about increasing the price of gachapon tickets? Some people already struggle to save for gachapon tickets because they want to change their looks. Lets say we doubled the price of gachapon tickets. Im sure that would decrease the amount of Legendary items and 30% scrolls by more then 50%. And too me it would feel more nostalgic to make gach more rare since its not really something most people had back in the days.
     
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    I simply used 500k as an example for the picture I made. Yes I thought the price was reasonable back then, now I think it could be higher. I have no idea what price people buy Owl service at in the FM.
     
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    Yeah I actually suggested that. 1k per ticket is ridiculously cheap; 5k per ticket is definitely reasonable and would reduce scroll rates considerably.
     
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    you can't reduce the amount of scroll rates because there are barely any scrolls..
    try to look for top for luk 30% or bot for dex 30%.
    they barely exist in the fm .
    lowering the rate will cause a huge increase in prices for dark scrolls
     
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    Gach as it is right now is fine/okay. Gach isn't the cause of problems for maple economy, in fact gach helps stimulate the maple economy. Furthermore, most people don't use nx gach anymore unless they are new players. By spending nx on gach instead of AP resets, you delay the pace that you reach your own "end-game". Washing and AP Resets legit take ages to do and for each 30k gach bundle you are giving away 10 resets basically. The main topic is meso generation and a way to combat the potential issue of inflation for future players/returning players. Due to the fact that there is no governing system in place, meso isn't backed by anything and has no actual value by itself.
     
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    The main issue is inflation, which is a consequence of meso generation. That's why effective cash sinks keep inflation in check.

    How do you keep inflation in check? Contract the money supply (eliminate meso drops, raise tax, increase pot costs, NX for mesos, etc.).
     
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    As i only spoke of REG coupons, the possibility of not getting a desired hairstyle/eye/color will always remain and thus still renders the need to spend nx if one is truly intent on getting it if one exhausts their meso reserves.
    The scenario is operating under the assumption that players with excess nx will spend on gacha but one should be reminded that gachapons operate under probability in addition to the inclusion of junk items within the cash ticket pool which heavily affects positive yields.
    If we are going to go into the topic of economics, devaluation can be result from the supply and demand scale but that is assuming that the existing population in this context is sufficient to reliably generate a supply that outweighs the demand.
     
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    GMs could just have a monthly fix. Lets say each player should have an average of 10m mesos. By dividing all total mesos on the numbers of players they would know if there was to much mesos.

    All mesos above that in the total could just be taken from the top 10 richest players OniontheheheOnionBanHappy
     
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    Hi there socialism!
     
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    In my opinion meso sinks are a nice way to alleviate the inevitable, which is that the economy's meso pool will continue to grow.
    However looking at the market the past few months, the prices haven't skyrocketed immensely.
    It feels like it's in a decent place right now as prices don't fluctuate as much as they used to.
    Even WS/Chaos prices have become stable sitting around 85/60.

    Mesos will always devalue and that's nothing you can really do.
    When the server first starts, rare scrolls you expect to be worth 8-10m can be valued at 1-2m.
    People almost always make positive money training/grinding (Unless you see a negative the meso gain will always continue to grow).

    I like the idea of mesos for NX related items. (Resets, Owls, Cosmetic coupons)
    But I think a good price must be made for them. (Currently you can buy mesos for NX from people who have won events).
     
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    the direction of meso losing its value is inevitable unless we do something about it, don't look at the market/economy as it is right now, look at where its going, its obviously not gonna remain the same.
     
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    What's a good proxy for inflation here? In the real world we have a "basket of goods," a fixed set of consumer products, but is there a maple equivalent? Like, establish what a maple basket of goods is composed of, and track those prices over time. That's proof positive of whether inflation is going up or down. White scrolls are not a good proxy because they (in theory) are rare.
     
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    It's really difficult to manage the market like this, and mesos will always continue to fluctuate in value.
    The market has already made Zak/Scar helms really cheap comparable to the past. (50m->25m)
    With more people entering the bossable level, more people are going to be able kill HT/Zak and the drops from them will continue to drop.
    Even if a meso sink is implemented such as mesos for owls/smegas/resets , you can't expect the economy to fix itself.
     
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    then something like this zak/scar/Horntail. we'd somehow have to get the whole server to agree on a Strict price for helms/books/ect. With more bossable players, but also more new players coming in during events/holidays and the new years coming up.
     
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    there is no magic solution to this, but we can definitely slow down the fluctuate in value
     
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    As stated by multiple people before me, as more players become of bossing level, the supply of boss related items will increase; thus leading to a drop of price in the related goods. (zhelm, books)

    This is not necessarily a bad thing as it indicates that the playerbase of this relatively new server is maturing - not that inflation is killing off prices.
    Not to mention that sale of goods to other players, like leeching, is a transfer of mesos - not a creation of mesos.

    I think we are all trying to avoid the same thing here where WHITE SCROLLS become the de facto currency due to hyper-inflation.

    edit: normal, moderate amounts of meso inflation can be considered a "Good Thing", as it indicates a healthily growing economy
     
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