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Information May 2025 Balance Changes [Explained]

Discussion in 'Update Notes' started by DrChuchu, May 11, 2025.

  1. jsoh
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    jsoh Slime

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    run 2 HT hero is going to pop off

    it's a nice change, but it's so small it barely counts as a buff imo. you're not going to burn attack pots for most content, leaving this at more or less a quality of life change.
     
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  3. HeyyJ
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    HeyyJ Red Snail

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    how exactly this is a pally buff? o_0
     
  4. Soyourken
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    We were muled and turned into multi-attackers, so now single client shad mains get punished LOL
     
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    Alyosha Skelegon Retired Staff

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    The numbers are actually more significant. With 1000 luk, you go from 500 avoid from luk to 300, or a net loss of 200 avoid on a modestly equiped level 175 shad. If your avoid before was 700, you'd have an 82.8% dodge rate including your 40% shifter.

    After these changes, you'd have 500 avoid for a 55.5% dodge rate, *with shifter increasing that to 83.3% dodge rate for 12.5% of the time.

    It gets more devastating the lower level the shad gets too. I don't think Shads can function in any sort of content like this, most of the time it's a coin flip if you'll get knocked back.

    *Edit: I misinterpret giving 100% avoidability for doubling the avoid stat. It sounds like having 100% dodge rate rather than 999 avoid is the correct interpretation of the skill.
     
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    aussietinask Timer Retired Staff

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    Pallies are stronger against anything that isn't holy weak or fire weak, i haven't even included huge buff to ice weak there
     
  7. Tommygunner
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    just make dagger warrior and pretend you're a shad, except with stance.

    also,
    Aussie, in your chart, how is Fire weak (single/blast) weaker after the changes when fire charge didnt change and blast got dmg bosst? i think im misunderstanding your chart?

    edit: oh duh you're right ele weakness overall got nerfed makes sense now ty
     
    Last edited: May 12, 2025
  8. HeyyJ
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    HeyyJ Red Snail

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    im a 139 paladin and have no idea what ure talking about, all i had so far was pure sufering and getting a "sry full" when trying to join anything at all lmao
     
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    Ainz Horntail

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    To be fair, this is the experience for any class at lvl 139.

    Pally really starts (started?) to shine in content after lvl 163, you'll get there.
     
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  10. -ovv
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    Pally grinding should be better now with things like ice charge being more usable.
    Most of these balance changes involve bossing class tier rescaling.
     
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  11. HeyyJ
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    HeyyJ Red Snail

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    have to disagree, me and a NL friend (Despairribs) hit 135 together. Hes 15x already im 139, we both play approx same amount of time a day, he finds a pt from 1 smega
     
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    you are getting responses?? i just get ghosted!!
     
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    Unreasonable take
     
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    Ele weakness got decreased from 1.5x to 1.2x, so overall got weaker from single target fire charge and blast
     
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    im sorry you are going through that trouble. i dont get why ppl hate on pallies in zak. But on bright side, this change is a buff to pallies in zakum and krex!
     
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    I agree, the 90%/80% was just some numbers to illustrate how the number of times you need to reposition goes up with just a 10% decrease. "Just 10%" can result in a 100% increase in number of times you need to reposition.
     
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    LOOOL Mannnn, what we gon do D;
     
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    let thieves mana drain resist?
     
  19. Subterlabor
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    In content that actuslly matters properly geared paladins hit damage cap anyways on apple, there was no nerf just a buff

    Is it too early to ask for 10k diamond arrow stacks, asking for a friend

    Cle wtf
    exist
     
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    I've been leveling a Dark Knight recently, but seeing these wild changes makes me very worried for the DK rework... Very hesitant to keep playing...
     
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