Important New System for White Scrolls (Feedback Thread)

This is an awsome idea and all but how does it help the players that are not end game and still trying hard to get there i have said this multiple times but mid game maps like cwk and temple of times should realy get a droprate up specially on scrolls so players have more of a reason to grind them it feels so unfulfilling to work hard to make it to those maps and to realize u get no returns for that hard work yea u get something every now and then but alot of people don't even bother with it u guys added portals to temple of time (awsome job on that btw) but I feel like that's just the tip of the iceberg maps like cwk TT neo should feel more rewarding coin system is again a great idea but what about the people that can't do those contents?

 

Not sure which bosses will drop coins but zak/krex are major mid game bosses. I would even argue 12-man HT are run by mid game players and I assume HT would drop coins if this system is implemented. You're addressing a separate issue which is farm-ability of non-meta maps (although Memory Lane 5 is pretty meta in ToT) and I agree with you there. One thing that would be nice would be to introduce a lot of gacha-locked 30/70% scrolls into the drop table of mobs but i think this would be digressing from the point of this thread.

 

In my opinion, i believe that this coin system is great might help solve bossing rewards issues, most of the high leveled players goes bossing in hopes of good drops and getting fat splits.

HT for example, runs in 12/10/6 party composition and once you're in the party its 2run and about 3-4 hour of commitment depending on how fast the runs are.

i think the coin system might be beneficial as it is better to get coins as a guaranteed drops where the host may sell for Mesos assuming the boss drops prestige coins. However, This mean that players will be getting more Mesos which also may lead to the increase of prices other than WS/CS.

The coin system will definitely help Veteran Players but may not help new players as much. If the goal is to make bossing in general more profitable then the coin system will definitely help.

I like to suggest that the coins are to be made so that everybody gets them like NT coins. however if it is done this way many people will bring in mules to ht in order to farm these coins, so to stop this from happening, what can be done is to only allow one client in the "Boss" room like what is done during the anniversary PBPQ and Puff Daddy.

I believe this will make bossing change as well such as people selling afk service to getting their mule a boss equipment, but classes such as Buccs or Bishops cant be multi-cliented so they will be able to find bossing slot easier.

 

Well it seems like I am quite late to this thread so not gonna say much (everything I write has probably been covered by the last 14 pages of replies).

I am indifferent towards this system but I predict several outcomes if this system is implemented :

1) Prestigious coins become the next currency/store of value for bossers. There will be some kind of informal exchange rate between coins and mesos, just like the one we have for WS/CS and mesos right now. If there is insufficient coins per member of the party then the coins will be sold off for mesos which will be split between members.

2) There is a possibility that a new meta might appear - people creating multiple characters to boss. Of course this is not easy but if its very profitable people will certainly do it instead of selling leech or farming which I think is one the main purpose of this new system.

3) Points 1 and 2 completely depending on two things. The number of prestigious coins needed for 1 WS/CS and the drop rate of the coins. Both of which I think should be carefully tweaked by the GMs to achieve a good balance between farming and bossing classes and keep the game healthy for end game/mid game/beginner players.

 

Slam expiration date on em. Use or lose.. or sell. Maybe its time to increase the availability of these items. Could be a part of nt boss drops or make them slightly more easier to obtain during events? Idk. People already hit end game while these scrolls were cheaper. No doubt its alot harder to upgrade gears nowadays since theyre so pricey and idt it solely has to do with more ppl reaching that end game status since im pretty sure ppl already AT end game still wanna get better shit as well. Its always been on demand and will continue to be. Passing them is all about rng anyway right? Its all gamble. You can be a trillionaire but without luck youll lose it all. Maybe remove some yakisobas from rare gach? It wouldnt hurt to "up" the availability of these scrolls by a little bit more. Im not saying hand em out like candies but making them slightly less difficult to obtain wouldnt significantly drop the prices and crash the market either. I feel like somebodys gonna find a way to be a smartass about this coin system and ultimately will lead to similar issue. Its the individual human greed by nature. Why is there a need to create a new form of currency when there is meso? Why not just increase max meso capacity in inv / storage? Having coins drop from bosses isnt different from having these scrolls drop from bosses. They can hold onto apples or some shit if they dont wanna hold meso. Less complication

 

I feel like Prestigious Coins could make or break the game, this seems really good on paper albeit a different server also did something in regards to this and they aren't a server anymore.

There should be a better alternative to something similar to this but I don't believe this is the right step in that direction, after reading where I left off it seems to be sort of a double-edged sword.

I really enjoy MapleLegends as a server and want to see it flourish and I'm sure others feel the same.

 

CS now 200m. Can CS be part of this system?
Throw in GFA 30/70/60s too pls.

 

i just think this is a pointless solution to tackle the ws/cs situation, nevertheless its a good + for bossing and thats more than welcomed over multiple mage muling to farm meso and gach (a few hours of farming can earn meso worth 1 ws/cs and the gach possibility). As u can see, ws/cs are easily inflated in prices and this change is perceived as a way to drive them back down and at the same time increase quantity (coins) in server, but u're forgetting how bossing is a limited daily instance compared to farming meso and it's superiority. Sure we may see a drop in prices and increase in quantity after launch, but i'm pretty sure the meso farmers will be back buying up the scrolls (coins) and raising its prices yet again.

But still, u guys are avoiding the main issue of sweaty mule mages being too attractive as compared to boss runs for ws/cs even with the loot nerf. rather than doing weird nerfs such as meso loot only available for killer, u shld limit mages multi clienting. By doing so, there would be less generation of meso in the server and less purchasing power, and most likely leading to a drop in prices in the long run.

 

请gm直接介入控制价格谢谢
比如cs/ws/bwg/gfa30%
在这样下去要变成R服了

 

As CS price is slowly approaching the price of WS...
Is this a sign that both of them can now be pegged to the same coin?

 

If you look at the main post, it included CS.

 

May I ask which strategy will earn 1ws/cs every few hours? And how many ppl have the multitasking ability, skill and patience to do this strategy for any reasonable period of time?

Makes perfect economic sense in theory, but there are just too many other factors in play to precisely identify multi mage farming as the main culprit (look at ws/cs price after sweeper nerfs).
The condition of ceteris paribus doesn't hold true when put in a real life context.

Imo, there just isn't enough players earning >40m/hr to significantly singlehandedly cause the prices to increase.

 

Yes. I do know that.
There was an initial concern that CS and WS have their own seperate demand/supply that it would be wrong to peg both is the same coin, since then the coin will be always related to the price of the higher valued item.
Now with the CS price pretty close to the WS price, such concern is more or less gone.

 

People in hopes of ws/cs would fail and the individual would go and owl and search for more ws/cs and if that person is a multi-mage meso farmer it puts other players at a disadvantage when purchasing them.

Having the supply on demand basically there for only the meso farmer (multi-mage) to only be able to afford it lets other players not have enough, would give the player an incentive to make multi-mages to meso farm if its been nerfed or not.

Some people with an MU mule would be incredibly sweaty about mesos that they wouldn't sell leech because the meso would go towards the leechers, and decide to farm meso solo.

The reason sweepers were nerfed was because it wasn't fair to the player base that didn't have multiple mages and have the APM(Actions Per Minute) to control 3 if not 4 mages or more along with a sweeper at once, with the amount of raw meso it gives is completely broken.

 

i think there is a misconception on the raw meso generated with multimage farming, you can attempt to try it yourself and see its not so outrageous as 30m/hr, thats my personal experience alongside with some other multimage farmers.

and also regarding about the point on unfairness, whats stopping anybody else from making mages and farm themselves? it's not unfair if they have the ability, its just unwillingness stopping them

 

What's broken is hoarding and merc-ing. GFA 30 be 30m pls.

 

Haha yeah let's not inplement this hugely beneficial change for bossers because it doesn't do enough to nerf the 5 people that sweat their asses off for 40m/hr.

 

I urge you to try multi-mage farming before coming to such conclusions. You'll be lucky to get 5m/hr per mage with good rng. Most of the time you'll get wrecked by rng and get no good drops.
This is in addition to paying 250m per mage for lvl 20-120 leech and the grind you'll need to do from 120-130. That's 50 hours of meso farming you'll need to do just to break even and the constant fear of nerfs hovering above us. I haven't even taken into account the opportunity cost of said 50 hours.

If multi-mage farming is as bad as I say then why do people still do it, you may ask.

1) Flexibility - Selling leech is a commitment. Buyers are hard to find at times. Selling at a slight mark up because you have pog eph? Buyers say nty. Doing package? Not many can sit for hours on end. If you take a break, your leechers will start asking questions. Compared to multi-mage farming where you can start and stop whenever you want. This might even be a double edged sword for people with poor self discipline; you end up doing much lesser hours.


2) Mapowner - ULU1, ULU2 ( there's dungeon), Cornians, ML1, Vikerola, Harps are all farmable maps that are almost always available (with the exception of ULU2 which can get fully crowded during peak hrs). 0 fear of losing map owner.

When you take all of these into account and consider that 1hit skeles earn about ~18m ish trio (someone double confirm this after sweeper nerfs), the mesos that multi-mage farming earn can hardly be seen as 'completely broken'. If after this there are still people that feel multimage farmering is OP, then let me ask you why. Why are you not doing it? Fear of nerfs after spending 1b on mages? Lack of skill? On the topic of skill, multi-mage farming requires you to shift your hand placement every rotation or be forced to use awkward keys to control your characters (iykyk), have decent multi-tasking and focus (diffuculty level is up to the individual). Shouldn't this 'skill' that not everyone has be rewarded? I know of people that have good multi-tasking abilities farming multiple maps using non mages. Should they be nerfed too? Some people are even selling low level leech while in HT. If they have the skill to do it, should they be nerfed too?

Sounds like the players actively campaigning for multi-mage farming to be nerfed just don't want to put in the effort or have the ability to pull off such tactics and are salty/FOMO. Is this strategy conducive for the game? I'll be the first one to say that it is not. Why I'm doing it is because of the prices of end game items. 1hit skeles/petri/5-6 used to be the gold standard for earning mesos, but with the prices of end game items going up with no end in sight, players are forced to explore new strategies that involve drastically more effort to do, for marginal gains. When the profitability of bossing improves to a decent level and prices of end game items comes down to a reasonable level, I'll be the first to retire my mages for the sake of my mental health.

This strategy is not for the players that cannot tolerate the very real possibility of 0 return on investment and semi-intense multi-tasking. Stop whining and adapt, if not, at the least don't be a sheep and propegate inaccurate views.