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  1. KurayamiLove
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    Is a way of speaking, the mentality of instead of making the rest of the game better we need to make this part that is dominant worst. Lucky enough I'm glad that this mentality wasn't applied to the job balancing, Imaging that instead of buffing jobs like Buccaneer, Marksman, or Paladin we nerfed Nightlords and Bishop (Yes NL did have one nerf but it never affected its damage capabilities or role that they have in the game).

    I've seen stuff about this subject, humans have a negativity bias, that's why a nerf always causes more discomfort than a buff causes joy; so buffing the rest to make a more or less even playground may be a better idea, that way people that play the game on different ways get something out of it: bossers, farmers, quest lovers.

    An argument against it would be that this is one of the causes of power creep, and is true. Power creep is created when you introduce new content and that new content is better than what is already in the game, if it isn't better people will barely play it (this happened to the pirate class back then) and did happened to changes like the new map of Zombies that is a neat change but Ghost Ship si far better. ML had its fair share of power creep that was avoided at the beginning but was added anyway: Apples, The Mark of Naricain, Facestompers, Timeless and Reverse weapons, and so on.

    Everyone got stronger and now the power is far higher than before but the essence of the old MapleStory isn't gone, the old jobs, the skills (even tho some are kinda messy). But well thats my opinion and how I see the situation. Sorry for the long reply
     
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    I can bypass that 4 clients by having another PC and a VPN. Unless you want ML to make their anti farming system super intrusive like Riot Game's Vanguard Anti Cheat system in which it's not possible to add and too hard to code.

    How are the GMs gonna know if the other character in the other channel is the same player?

    Don't see how this would benefit anything.

    But everyday there are already so many Horntail runs. Is that still considered bossing being more obselete?
     
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    the fact that people could bypass the ip restriction or the 4 clients/map rule is not the problem. for instance, you can always account share/rwt but you gonna get banned someday. Rules are rules. Everyone who jugded the suggestions considered people bypassing them. This just doesnt make sense to me.
     
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    But everyday there are already so many Horntail runs. Is that still considered bossing being more obselete?[/QUOTE]

    meso/hr + exp/hr bossing sucks atm. it wasnt like that before covid.
     
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    They did nerf Night Lords, they nerfed Critical Throw (2nd Job Passive Skill) but since their damage was utter trash for Assassins thus was reverted.

    Night Lords were able to use Shadow Web as if it were Assaulter and dash up to a monster for more mobility but its not like that in ML. (Shadow Web Jump)

    All skills have been copy pasted from Ayumilove guides from Before Big Bang.

    [​IMG]Critical Throw
    Enables the character to make a critical attack with throwing stars on a certain success rate. This skill is recommended to be max! This skill increases the damage of your attacking skill base on chances of occurring. If red damage pops up, it shows that Critical is being activated! This allows assassins to dish out more damage than they could not previously in 1st job.

    Master Level: 30 | Type: Passive | Pre-requisite: Claw Mastery Lv. 3
    Level 1: 21% success rate, critical damage 113%
    Level 2: 22% success rate, critical damage 116%
    Level 3: 23% success rate, critical damage 119%
    Level 4: 24% success rate, critical damage 122%
    Level 5: 25% success rate, critical damage 125%
    Level 6: 26% success rate, critical damage 128%
    Level 7: 27% success rate, critical damage 131%
    Level 8: 28% success rate, critical damage 134%
    Level 9: 29% success rate, critical damage 137%
    Level 10: 30% success rate, critical damage 140%
    Level 11: 31% success rate, critical damage 143%
    Level 12: 32% success rate, critical damage 146%
    Level 13: 33% success rate, critical damage 149%
    Level 14: 34% success rate, critical damage 152%
    Level 15: 35% success rate, critical damage 155%
    Level 16: 36% success rate, critical damage 158%
    Level 17: 37% success rate, critical damage 161%
    Level 18: 38% success rate, critical damage 164%
    Level 19: 39% success rate, critical damage 167%
    Level 20: 40% success rate, critical damage 170%
    Level 21: 41% success rate, critical damage 173%
    Level 22: 42% success rate, critical damage 176%
    Level 23: 43% success rate, critical damage 179%
    Level 24: 44% success rate, critical damage 182%
    Level 25: 45% success rate, critical damage 185%
    Level 26: 46% success rate, critical damage 188%
    Level 27: 47% success rate, critical damage 191%
    Level 28: 48% success rate, critical damage 194%
    Level 29: 49% success rate, critical damage 197%
    Level 30: 50% success rate, critical damage 200%

    [​IMG]Sharp Eyes
    Provides the party members an ability to locate the enemy’s weakness, and in turn inflict lethal damage by exploiting it.

    Master Level: 30 | Type: Supportive
    Level 1: MP -29, for 10secs, Critical rate 1%, Damage + 11%.
    Level 2: MP -29, for 20secs, Critical rate 1%, Damage + 12%.
    Level 3: MP -29, for 30secs, Critical rate 2%, Damage + 13%.
    Level 4: MP -29, for 40secs, Critical rate 2%, Damage + 14%.
    Level 5: MP -29, for 50secs, Critical rate 3%, Damage + 15%.
    Level 6: MP -29, for 60secs, Critical rate 3%, Damage + 16%.
    Level 7: MP -29, for 70secs, Critical rate 4%, Damage + 17%.
    Level 8: MP -29, for 80secs, Critical rate 4%, Damage + 18%.
    Level 9: MP -29, for 90secs, Critical rate 5%, Damage + 19%.
    Level 10: MP -29, for 100secs, Critical rate 5%, Damage + 20%.
    Level 11: MP -37, for 110secs, Critical rate 6%, Damage + 21%.
    Level 12: MP -37, for 120secs, Critical rate 6%, Damage + 22%.
    Level 13: MP -37, for 130secs, Critical rate 7%, Damage + 23%.
    Level 14: MP -37, for 140secs, Critical rate 7%, Damage + 24%.
    Level 15: MP -37, for 150secs, Critical rate 8%, Damage + 25%.
    Level 16: MP -37, for 160secs, Critical rate 8%, Damage + 26%.
    Level 17: MP -37, for 170secs, Critical rate 9%, Damage + 27%.
    Level 18: MP -37, for 180secs, Critical rate 9%, Damage + 28%.
    Level 19: MP -37, for 190secs, Critical rate 10%, Damage + 29%.
    Level 20: MP -37, for 200secs, Critical rate 10%, Damage + 30%.
    Level 21: MP -45, for 210secs, Critical rate 11%, Damage + 31%.
    Level 22: MP -45, for 220secs, Critical rate 11%, Damage + 32%.
    Level 23: MP -45, for 230secs, Critical rate 12%, Damage + 33%.
    Level 24: MP -45, for 240secs, Critical rate 12%, Damage + 34%.
    Level 25: MP -45, for 250secs, Critical rate 13%, Damage + 35%.
    Level 26: MP -44, for 260secs, Critical rate 13%, Damage + 36%.
    Level 27: MP -43, for 270secs, Critical rate 14%, Damage + 37%.
    Level 28: MP -42, for 280secs, Critical rate 14%, Damage + 38%.
    Level 29: MP -41, for 290secs, Critical rate 15%, Damage + 39%.
    Level 30: MP -40, for 300secs, Critical rate 15%, Damage + 40%.
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    [​IMG]Hurricane [Storm of Arrows]
    Launches arrows at a tremendous speed, as chaotic as a nasty rainstorm. Hurricane (aka Storm Arrows) shoots 8 arrows per second. It’s the fastest skill among all MapleStory jobs. However, Night Lord (4th Job Assassin) attacks much faster when it has Shadow Partner + Triple Throw + Booster. Storm Arrows is not affected by speed buff such as Bow Attack Speed, Bow Booster and Speed Infusion (4th Job Buccaneer Skill).

    Master Level: 30 | Type: Active
    Level 1: MP -6, Damage 51%
    Level 2: MP -6, Damage 52%
    Level 3: MP -6, Damage 53%
    Level 4: MP -6, Damage 54%
    Level 5: MP -6, Damage 55%
    Level 6: MP -6, Damage 56%
    Level 7: MP -6, Damage 57%
    Level 8: MP -6, Damage 58%
    Level 9: MP -6, Damage 59%
    Level 10: MP -6, Damage 60%
    Level 11: MP -8, Damage 71%
    Level 12: MP -8, Damage 72%
    Level 13: MP -8, Damage 73%
    Level 14: MP -8, Damage 74%
    Level 15: MP -8, Damage 75%
    Level 16: MP -8, Damage 76%
    Level 17: MP -8, Damage 77%
    Level 18: MP -8, Damage 78%
    Level 19: MP -8, Damage 79%
    Level 20: MP -8, Damage 80%
    Level 21: MP -10, Damage 91%
    Level 22: MP -10, Damage 92%
    Level 23: MP -10, Damage 93%
    Level 24: MP -10, Damage 94%
    Level 25: MP -10, Damage 95%
    Level 26: MP -9, Damage 96%
    Level 27: MP -9, Damage 97%
    Level 28: MP -9, Damage 98%
    Level 29: MP -9, Damage 99%
    Level 30: MP -9, Damage 100%

    ALT+Tab Hurricane isn't considered "botting" but tabbing out works as if ALT(Hurricane) is being held down so in turn should be deemed botting, but.. isn't??

    [​IMG]Mesos Explosion
    Explodes the mesos dropped on the ground around you to attack monsters. The mesos from the monsters killed by someone else will not be able to be used for this. Great against Bosses (Zakum, Papulatus, Pianus, etc) Since there is 4th Job Advancement, not many people use this skill, because its costly (cost millions of meso to kill a boss). So players rather use their 4th Job skill to deal damage. Pretty useful for funder Chief Bandit players who want to power level in mid 70-90 using Meso Explosion!

    Master Level: 30 | Type: Active
    Level 1: MP -18; Mastery 50%, explode up to 10
    Level 2: MP -18; Mastery 52%, explode up to 10
    Level 3: MP -18; Mastery 54%, explode up to 10
    Level 4: MP -18; Mastery 56%, explode up to 10
    Level 5: MP -18; Mastery 58%, explode up to 10
    Level 6: MP -18; Mastery 60%, explode up to 12
    Level 7: MP -18; Mastery 62%, explode up to 12
    Level 8: MP -18; Mastery 64%, explode up to 12
    Level 9: MP -18; Mastery 66%, explode up to 12
    Level 10: MP -18; Mastery 68%, explode up to 12
    Level 11: MP -24; Mastery 70%, explode up to 14
    Level 12: MP -24; Mastery 72%, explode up to 14
    Level 13: MP -24; Mastery 74%, explode up to 14
    Level 14: MP -24; Mastery 76%, explode up to 14
    Level 15: MP -24; Mastery 78%, explode up to 14
    Level 16: MP -24; Mastery 80%, explode up to 16
    Level 17: MP -24; Mastery 82%, explode up to 16
    Level 18: MP -24; Mastery 84%, explode up to 16
    Level 19: MP -24; Mastery 86%, explode up to 16
    Level 20: MP -24; Mastery 88%, explode up to 16
    Level 21: MP -30; Mastery 90%, explode up to 18
    Level 22: MP -30; Mastery 92%, explode up to 18
    Level 23: MP -30; Mastery 93%, explode up to 18
    Level 24: MP -30; Mastery 94%, explode up to 18
    Level 25: MP -30; Mastery 95%, explode up to 18
    Level 26: MP -30; Mastery 96%, explode up to 20
    Level 27: MP -30; Mastery 96%, explode up to 20
    Level 28: MP -30; Mastery 98%, explode up to 20
    Level 29: MP -30; Mastery 99%, explode up to 20
    Level 30: MP -30; Mastery 100%, explode up to 20
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    Chief Bandits being the ones that could hit 20 monsters at once as long if they're in the explosion radius would hit 20 at level 26, Blizzard, Genesis, Meteor hits 15, for obviously more mana. You funny.

    Assassinate in old MS would hit 999,999(max damage) regardless when maxed, this was nerfed later on.

    4221001.png Assassinate

    Transforms one into dark sight and attacks a monster 4 times consecutively, with a success rate of dealing a fatal blow on the last hit.


    Master Level: 30 | Type: Active
    Level 1: MP -21, Attack 34%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 105%, success rate 32%
    Level 2: MP -22, Attack 38%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 110%, success rate 34%
    Level 3: MP -23, Attack 42%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 115%, success rate 36%
    Level 4: MP -24, Attack 46%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 120%, success rate 38%
    Level 5: MP -25, Attack 50%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 125%, success rate 40%
    Level 6: MP -26, Attack 54%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 130%, success rate 42%
    Level 7: MP -27, Attack 58%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 135%, success rate 44%
    Level 8: MP -28, Attack 62%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 140%, success rate 46%
    Level 9: MP -29, Attack 66%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 145%, success rate 48%
    Level 10: MP -30, Attack 70%, for 6 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 150%, success rate 50%
    Level 11: MP -31, Attack 73%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 155%, success rate 52%
    Level 12: MP -32, Attack 76%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 160%, success rate 54%
    Level 13: MP -33, Attack 79%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 165%, success rate 56%
    Level 14: MP -34, Attack 82%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 170%, success rate 58%
    Level 15: MP -35, Attack 85%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 175%, success rate 60%
    Level 16: MP -36, Attack 88%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 180%, success rate 62%
    Level 17: MP -37, Attack 91%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 185%, success rate 64%
    Level 18: MP -38, Attack 94%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 190%, success rate 66%
    Level 19: MP -39, Attack 97%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 195%, success rate 68%
    Level 20: MP -40, Attack 100%, for 9 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 200%, success rate 70%
    Level 21: MP -41, Attack 102%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 205%, success rate 72%
    Level 22: MP -42, Attack 104%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 210%, success rate 74%
    Level 23: MP -43, Attack 106%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 215%, success rate 76%
    Level 24: MP -44, Attack 108%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 220%, success rate 78%
    Level 25: MP -45, Attack 110%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 225%, success rate 80%
    Level 26: MP -44, Attack 112%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 230%, success rate 82%
    Level 27: MP -43, Attack 114%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 235%, success rate 84%
    Level 28: MP -42, Attack 116%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 240%, success rate 86%
    Level 29: MP -41, Attack 118%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 245%, success rate 88%
    Level 30: MP -40, Attack 120%, for 12 secs, accumulative damage, Critical Damage 250%, success rate 90%

    4121006.png Shadow Stars (Actually, Spirit Claw aka Shadow Claw, fix book name or skill name pls)

    Attacks monsters with 200 stars at one time, but cannot use star for a given period afterwards.


    Master Level: 30 | Type: Active
    Level 1: MP -15, for 62 secs
    Level 2: MP -15, for 64 secs
    Level 3: MP -15, for 66 secs
    Level 4: MP -15, for 68 secs
    Level 5: MP -15, for 70 secs
    Level 6: MP -15, for 72 secs
    Level 7: MP -15, for 74 secs
    Level 8: MP -15, for 76 secs
    Level 9: MP -15, for 78 secs
    Level 10: MP -15, for 80 secs
    Level 11: MP -20, for 82 secs
    Level 12: MP -20, for 84 secs
    Level 13: MP -20, for 86 secs
    Level 14: MP -20, for 88 secs
    Level 15: MP -20, for 90 secs
    Level 16: MP -20, for 92 secs
    Level 17: MP -20, for 94 secs
    Level 18: MP -20, for 96 secs
    Level 19: MP -20, for 98 secs
    Level 20: MP -20, for 100 secs
    Level 21: MP -25, for 102 secs
    Level 22: MP -25, for 104 secs
    Level 23: MP -25, for 106 secs
    Level 24: MP -25, for 108 secs
    Level 25: MP -25, for 110 secs
    Level 26: MP -25, for 112 secs
    Level 27: MP -25, for 114 secs
    Level 28: MP -25, for 116 secs
    Level 29: MP -25, for 118 secs
    Level 30: MP -25, for 120 secs

    - Shadow Star Bug(SSB) Can be bugged to only throw your main star as long as you don't attack or use any skill that uses up to the point that one star is left in the main set so that it takes out stars from a different set but has its damage and visuals of the main set. (MTK > Steelys > MTK shown, Steelys taken out.) [Tried in Saga but in GMS its been patched since they revamped (buffed, flying stars wow nice game design lol..) Night Lord, but Reboot is ew.]

    For me personally, I hated how this worked because its pretty much being a poor noob that can't purchase legit sets in order to play the game and it's basically cheating just how it is with ALT+TAB Hurricane.

    Screen Shot 2021-04-21 at 10.39.29 AM.png

    After my HP washing is done I'm going to purchase more use slots and craft 4 more sets of BF, however if I'm able too I'll be swapping them for MTKs even if SSB isn't fixed.
     
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    "preserving game essence"

    Aren't you the one always selling 5-6 leech? Is that the game essence you want to preserve? Making selling leech the only plausible way of generating decent mesos?

    Just because someone found an alternative to make mesos that doesn't benefit you directly, you want to nerf it. :yay:

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    actually it’s good for me as i have more 5-6 buyers now. i just made these suggestions because i know staff gonna handle it in some way.
     
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    why cant everyone have fun with their own ways of playing?
    Cant beat them, nerf them? #toxic
     
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    Can we nerf maximum signature size? My right index finger is exhausted from scrolling past like 6 square ft worth of signatures
     
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    You're not making any sense comparing IP Restrictions to Account Sharing/Real World Trading - Those are 2 different things and rules altogether.

    Besides, if you're confident that this suggestion is going to work, you need to go further in detail on how a GM is going to double their work or even triple their work to monitor and catch people bypassing this IP Restriction.

    You might as well suggest that multi clienting be disabled altogether, that's an easier solution than making a more suggestion that's going to cause more problems than solve the problem itself.

    Also, Motto did mention almost the same thing I did on the other thread u replied. IP Restrictions are easily bypassed via VPN. And before you talk about hardware ID restrictions, I can just get a cheap PC to run another client or use Hardware ID spoofing.
     
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    The fact that people would even go so far as to bypass a multiclient restriction/ban by booting up 5 more devices and literally p2wing PCs to farm mesos in a private server of a 20yo game is fucking wild to me I'm sorry. I'd understand if you would be some OSRS gold seller and it'd put food on the table irl but holy moly

    Preserving game essence, old school MS btw kekw
     
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    Some people's greatness is other people's normal.
     
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    Just remove auto hp/mp from the game and enable using pots in dark sight. People actually have to pay attention and multiclienting gets exponentially harder
     
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    Multiclienting would look like professional starcraft2. I'd like to see that
     
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    To be honest, this wouldn't impact multimage farming methods all that much. It would require 8 additional inputs every 30-40 seconds and would be treated like re-buffing. Sure, one of the mages might die once in awhile early on, but like every other thing in this game, it'll be engrained into muscle memory fairly quickly through enough practice and repetition.
     
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    I love how the suggestions in these types of threads just get stupider and stupider as the days go by. Always a joy to read eksdee.
     
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    Only way to nerf multimage is to nerf single mage and thus have it impact all mages. Better would be to offer more viable alternatives over leeching from mages. We already have superior grinding opportunities until around lvl65. At lvl65 some classes are better off leeching at WR and this continues later at CDs, WS, ulu 1/2/3, petri, skele, etc.

    IMO leeching can stay as a luxury. something to do in your off-hours to speed up the leveling or whatever. I don't mind mages getting a minor nerf, but I don't think it's the solution to the problem. I'd much rather see the viability of other class grinding buffed. Especially single target oriented classes that would usually stick to bossing.
     
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    the best thing to do is removing 4th job. let’s go back to coollies priest meta
     
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    multiclient = noob
    mules = noob
    that being said i suggest removing mages from the game permanently
     
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