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Perfect / All 30%'d gear

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by zook, Nov 16, 2015.

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  1. zook
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    How do yall feel about a 15/25 earring and a +6 18 dex shoe ? Do you think it's luck ? Or some other form of scrolling / mass scrolling the same Item ID ?

    Idk about yall but this might be the straw that broke the camels back , I doubt this thread will make it longer than a few minutes/hours but hey .. It's the General Discussion and this shit needs to be brought up

    I think we should all be able to play this private server on the same plateau / not have people who cheat their way to the top control the FM and harass others even when they know what's really went down..

    Discuss (no flaming / bating pliz)
     
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    How can someone get banned for 7 days for cheating and come back and still have ALL their items? like wtf
     
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    I agree, it does seem dodgey. Potentially funded by dupers that were previously banned, yet failed to prove he had taken items or looted items they dropped for him months back.

    Either way, as with multiple issues right now, Evidence is needed to punish.
     
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    Let's just talk about the 18 dex shoes for a second. Let's assume it's all 30% scrolls. The calculation of probability would be the following:

    0.1* (6 choose 5) * 0.3^5 * 0.35 = 0.05%


    That's a 0.05% chance of getting a successful 6x 30% in a row. Not talking about any other equips, just the shoes (thanks redwine for the calculation). The probability is so low that there is enough reason to assume there has been illegal play, especially since there is multiple perfect scrolled items.

    Besides that, the player in question knows that there is drama on this topic but decides to boasts his equips in FM1 CH1, instead of taking a background position. It isn't positively contributing to the situation.

    I hope that the staff members realise that action is necessary and that this situation is going out of control and damages the community.
     
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    Sorry, it is .05%
     
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    This server will not make it to the 1 year anniversary if cheating is not taken seriously. My wife wouldn't give me a slap on the wrist if I cheated, nor should my marriage with Maple Legends.
     
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    The chance of making such equips is pretty damn small.

    5 30% earrings: 1 in 411

    The shoes, I am calculating at .17%, or 1 in 560.

    .3 x .3 x .3 x .3 x .3 x .3 x .35. Multiply that by 7 because there's 7 ways it could have went down, depending on which scroll failed. But technically it's less because I don't think if the first or 2nd slot failed, you would continue scrolling.

    In any case... I know the old addage. Anything's possible! It's all RNG, it's all luck! The problem is this is what hackers hide behind all the time. With no definite proof like finding anomalies with packets or evidence of duping, it's "always possible." Hell, even if staff here recorded all scrolling people did and found someone passing 99 of 100 30% scrolls, they still wouldn't ban. It's possible they could have succeeded that many times. But is it probable? It really isn't. So then we have to use our judgement.

    I have dealt with hackers before. I've had deep suspicions about other players on other servers. Time and again, these people scrolled perfect equips on the first or second try. Meanwhile I as well as all the other honest players are having scrolls fail left and right, struggling to even scroll mediocre equipments. I admit it is frustrating, and it inspires jealousy... so long as you still believe their gears are legit. But when the same people keep making godly gears, we know there is a problem. They're just "too lucky". Do you know the funny thing? We were right. They were cheaters. And eventually they got so bored of the server and the admin's incompetence, they posted dozens of screenshots of themselves cheating.

    Do you know what a pit boss does at a casino? They keep an eye on all the tables and all the games. When they see someone winning too often, it's a red flag. You know, the card counters. Never really losing much on their small bets, then winning massively on their big bets. It's actually easy to intuitively tell when someone's rigging the system.

    So again: making perfect earrings like that is certainly possible... but you would expect someone to go through around 586 30% earring scrolls. That is a shitload. Have that many even been obtained from gash in the whole server? You'd also expect that it certainly wouldn't happen on the first try. There should be numerous failures in the process. With +5 earrings successfully made like that, we should be seeing dozens if not hundreds of "finished" or "ruined" earrings flooding the market. But we don't.

    One would also think that if one's successfully made +4 earrings with one slot to go, you'd have to be fucking insane to 30% the last slot again. Maybe you're some kind of pathological gambler? But even if you were, you'd have to realize no one could possibly pay you the value of those earrings. It's just too priceless. Or perhaps on the other hand, you simply didn't value the earrings much in the first place. Why? Well if you duped those earrings, certainly it was easy as hell to make them, so why not?

    When certain players are repeatedly make godly items and leave no evidence of destroyed/ruined equips, you can be damned sure there is foul play involved. These players are too lucky. Trash these players before they trash the server.
     
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    I dont understand it says in their ToS that its a perm ban so if the person did it cant it be confirmed with item ids and such? and if it is confirmed why isn't there a perm ban?
     
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    LF> Summary of what Lionheart said.
     
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    Associating with any player involved in the any aforementioned abuse via party, trade, or any other methods makes you guilty by association. If you witness any form of abuse, please contact a member of the MapleLegends Staff (preferably with evidence such as a screenshot/video).

    ...after all this is a private server, they can do w.e they want.
     
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    You made very good points there Lionheart. But the one I quoted is something that just stands out. A simple realisation that counts as strong evidence. Besides it wouldn't be just earrings, but also shoes and BWG's.
     
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    guys lets be real he got "lucky" i dont see a problem here

    A guy named Zane once told me, to obtain a weapon like his you just cant give a shit and keep throwing 30's at it... it will eventually work. I think he quit and deleted his character though.
     
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    This is the part that always made me think these equips are not legit. I landed 3x30s on clean earrings, and I did that on two separate occasions. To this day, I was unable to bring myself to attempt a 4th 30 on either of those earrings. Too priceless. Not worth it. No one can pay me fair value for those even if they work. And this is coming from someone who could afford to take the risk.

    Once again, I refer you to the following diagram:
    [​IMG]
     
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    tl;dr: hax.
     
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    Just in case the staff refuses to do the obvious ban.

    Future, i'll buy the 18 dex shoes. ^^
     
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    I'll also take a pair Kappa
     
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    If there is any bulk deals, i'm interested. Kappa
     
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    Funny part is Futurelegendz is already in my shop telling me how "nice my earrings are" maybe because mine are the real #1 legit earrings and his are hacked up, also he's been whispering me since he got unbanned to basuically sshow he is "untouchable" maybe its cause of where he is from .. ? who knows because I sure as fuck don't know how he isnt perma banned
     
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    Fuck it, future. Hit us all up buddy.

    Just saying, faplord made better. LOL <3
     
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    Credits to AeroAero for using this image before me on another thread <3
     
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