Potential Wipe / Bishop Changes Discussion Thread

To paraphrase a great video blogger:

"We can change what we all know is coming.
Things do not have to go the way that feels inevitable.
But they will be inevitable if you don't act.
The future is not written in stone.
The future is written in choice and commitment and will."
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ey boy

 

Ahh it's been a while but I see that even #hype4wipe has come to Legends. I've been gone for ages but looking at it now, it feels like most of the player base is leaving and fewer members are being attracted to the server. A wipe is a tricky thing, many hate it and many love it. The problem is that both wipe or no wipe include a chance of the server dying. Nonetheless, changes need to happen for the server to live, even without a wipe. I know from experience, don't wipe 6 times. #lol Just make changes to the environment of the server including forums/site/gameplay.

 

Was just wondering whether this idea is still being discussed.

I used to play this server as well, until uni started getting busy, and played a priest as my first character purely because it is just so much easier to start as a priest. It has all of the advantages other mages have + more. I really like i/l mage class more, because blue is just awesome, but it was just not beneficial to have an i/l compared to a priest. Im almost done with uni and work is a lot less time taxing than uni so i was looking for a maplestory server to play.

Hope this idea gets pulled through!

 

All i know is that if the vast majority of the high levels are bishops then something is off. The only people that get mad over nerfing them are the actual bishops.
On a different note, it makes me mad when people say bishops arent as good as i/l or f/p. Bishops dominate skeles over i/l and f/p even though they shouldnt. Why is it that i/l and f/p hit around the same/less as bishops but have to use 2x mp? Bishops dont have ele amp yet they still hit more.
Anyways sorry for my rant, but i dont think bishops are a real class that should count on the rankings

 

all classes have their cons and pros. and honestly, I don't think bish overcomes skele huge compared with mages.
(i'm mageholic o.o...)

for example, bish need gene 30 and 1296 magic to ohko skele.
fp needs meteor 30 and 1306 magic.
il needs blizz 30 and 1335 magic.

than let's see. fp has approx 2lvl penalty than bish, and il has 8lvl penalty. now, let's come to mastery books.
I'd rather choose just lvl few more than getting dem gene 30. and so i did.



HS? many ppls know how to solve this matter.

now let's think about non-skele. no need to travel far away. just next map, newt.
this means, mage have significant pro that "farm anywhere much easily".



personally, I even feel pity feeling on bish. #doorplz #hsplz. cos they can't do anything than skele.
7k mp per shot? if I loot everything while i grind, pot meso is less than 1/3 of only meso looting, not including NPC gears and etcs.



let's just respect difference. difference makes life colorful o.o

 

Yes, let's celebrate difference! Just like we have a huge variety of classes in the top... wait.. No, no we don't. It's all bishops or people who were leeched by bishops.

 

Lmfaooo

 

Cozy I'll give you a more serious response.

That's true, but let's look at the breakdown.

Nightlords: Best DPS hands down, but needs HP washing to handle certain bosses earlier. Farming isn't too bad either, imo, but there's always a bunch of salt because they don't get godly mob attack too.

Shadowers: Basically 3rd rate nightlords with smoke shell. Meso explosion is an extremely expensive method of leveling quickly in 3rd job.

Bow/crossbow masters: Also has a HP problem, but not as good DPS as nightlords. Sharp eyes makes their DPS (and more importantly, NL's DPS) shoot through the roof. Farming is meh, but quite nice in certain situations. The trick is finding and exploiting those situations.

Dark Knight: Hyperbody, and a weaker attacker than bowmen.

Heroes: slightly better attacker, but no particularly outstanding buffs.

Paladin: contributes even less than the above two.

-All of the warriors have semi-decent mobbing ability with their ability to shove and collect mobs before using their mob attack.

-Then mages/bishop: Extremely weak at bossing, and then bosses decide to make their life even more hell with dispel. But their ultimate is supreme for mobbing yet also quite expensive.

Bishops: cons - stuck at skeles for life.
pros - stupidly-easy leveling from 2nd job up
reduced damage from ALL sources
can party a deadweight and receive MORE exp in doing so with HS
has half the MP cost for their ultimate
can sell leeches to not only level quickly but make massive profits
ressurection
everyone needs them for boss runs

Arch mages: none of the pros, but they have a few more options to grind with their ultimates and have more attack power (with double MP cost) which still isn't saying much since the mage's damage formula is so borked late game compared to other classes and their WATK boosting options.


All the top DPS bossers like to complain that they suck at farming, it really doesn't matter because most just wind up making a bishop alt to farm and leech for them. So just by multi-clienting, we have superior bossing ability combined with superior farming ability. Bishop leech + NL combo is the all-too-common, tried and true method of "winning" maplestory.

The whole problem with the game is that as much as you like to tout pros and cons and "diversity", it's all nothing but platitudes. The vast majority of players who are competitive view everything under a lense: you're either a NL with high DPS or a char who boosts/supports the high DPS NL. Anyone who isn't either of those are mostly irrelevant.

A properly geared and buffed lv 150 NL could out DPS a godly geared and buffed lv 200 arch mage.

 

Or people who were leeched by their own bishops via vmware
Isaac


In response to Lionheart, the problem with classes like BMs and DKs having the benefit of being a better bossing class is that the cons of very slow lvling in comparison to those who HAVE bishop leeching honestly greatly outweigh the pros of playing a good bossing class.
I've discussed this w/ people who don't have their own bishops(not gonna name anyone), and we've come to the general consensus that it's pretty stupid that it seems you are heavily punished for NOT playing your class and not making a bishop; variety is discouraged, as people have stated repeatedly in this thread.

Edit: just for any misunderstandings, there's no problem with playing the bishop class; the problem stems from the vmware multi-character bishop abuse where people stop playing their own class and make a bishop to lvl.

 

hey happy new year everyone

 

so whens the wipe

 

What if... I'm using vmware to get extra xp for my bishop

it's ok tho, don't play anymore anyway ecks dee

 

is ur account bugged like been blocked to make bish, NL, or other jobs you think OP? o.o.... than i can understand why you're so serious for this matter. otherwise, can't understand. who made ur chara F/P is no one else but you, unless you account shared and that random guy suddenly made you get 1st job you don't wish to.

don't tell me "you donno archmage is sux". I have mages too.. q.q


don't wanna debate with this silly matter anymore, so i won't reply anymore on this cancer thread, but hope you just know this. you think mage's pot fee is "expensive". but you kills 10+ skeles with 2~3 pots. just imagine how many pots most attackers would use to kill 10+ skeles, and time to do that. I never thought mage's pot fee is expensive. even when I spammed 1 ale / 1 shot for 3hko skeles. cos I earned "more" than i use anyway. (and even much faster grinding than most of attackers also). If you think it's "expensive", than i just smh on ur greed. delete ur FP and do bish. I think that would be most ideal way for both.

 

Idk but Noods and Number32 do toms of damage on their heros. So does empiredk on his drk - Dont hate on warriors

 

I chose F/P because I like the concept of the class and the way it is supposed to play. Unfortunately late game, things just are not balanced at all. That, and some bugs make party play even more difficult. So I guess pointing out that imbalance means I should delete my main character and go make the same stupid class like everyone else? I really don't think you get it if you are saying this.

I don't want to make a fucking bishop or a nightlord. I want to play my character and for the game to be more balanced. That's all.

Posting big giant trolly pictures doesn't help you make any point.

 

Contender for meme of the year right here

 

So basically what cozy said that you have to chose either the op class (which you may not like) or chose a weak class (which you may like) who no one wants to boss with because... they are weak.

You are not allowed to complain about balance because she also plays mages.

Ignoring that, i am wondering about the possible implementation of the nerf bishop idea.

 

In my personal opinion, nerfing a support class doesn't only nerf the "class" itself, but nerfs the "team".
Buffing HS for group parties makes them even MORE wanted at bosses (mentioned this since it was in a complaint above...)
Nerfing HS does not only affect them, but everyone they party with.
Banning self leech doesn't work. (this was seen in another server)

I liked the penalizing lukless bishops idea tho 8D

 

The main thing about holy symbol is that just by yourself, it's hardly any bonus. Then when you just add a second person to your party, the exp penalty massively increases. To the point where even if that 2nd person does nothing but AFK on a rope, you STILL get more exp than by yourself, and they even get leech exp too. But then, if you add any more players to the party, the exp bonus is already close to capping out. So 3 people all busting their asses is just barely as efficient as one gening bishop and a leecher. Assuming there are enough mob spawns. Add more players to the party, and exp/hr goes downhill and everyone nopes out of that.

So that's the problem. HS in some circumstances definitely needs a nerf, but that's not saying that I think the skill needs to be weakened to utter trash uselessness. My suggestion would mainly be to revamp the party exp formula such that the exp bonus becomes much greater with more players. Not skyrocket at 2 players, then level off.