Quality of Life Changes

NX has real value and is usually the bottleneck to creating new characters and yes, you can actually make more by playing the game.

4x EV means twice the drops, half the time. That small handful of individuals will be the entire market. You mentioned supply, but where is the demand?

Personally I also agree with 2x run is over the top (weak mental) so I instead opt for faster/larger runs. I do mostly 10-12 man ht nowadays as a non permanent runner ^___^


edit: oopsie it's 2x ev but ya xd

 

I believe AP resets should be farmable (you gotta grind for them), during events, with a maximum limit (like 50? 100?). I don't think it should be cheaper tho

 

theoretically, you can buy tons of event nx ap resets for mesos (just be rich like CeloRox aka the rush guy)

 

B>ALL AP RESETS

 

Ah man cmon.

What you call "old elitist players" were the same who WASHED to 12k (that means they had the same cost of NX of making a 30k potential ranged job before hp washing) before pink bean and realized there would be a new content that they will need to have HB after all the work they had.

Those people were the same who needed to make mages before any job they actually wanted to play because they didn't have prestigious coins or challenges to make bosses doable.

There were also people trying to save their chars doing kalash wash to reach around 19k which required way more AP resets than reaching 30k with any job AND a lot of levels saving fresh APs, so losing damage from like half of the game like 188~200 (?) for this.

These people were also the ones who are now spreading a lot of good information for the newcomers, specifically about how to reach 30k HP lol. Check the old guides about reaching 30k HP yourself and see what people used to do/teach before.

Now we got bosses giving mesos with prestigious coins, you can play whatever job you want with no worries about doing content because of challenges but there's still people complaining. Stop with that thing "ENDGAME ELITIST PLAYERS VS NEW PLAYERS" that doesn't exist most of the cases.

Anyway, long time I didn't see people asking to making washing easier. 2020 vibes, I love MapleLegends

 

pog signed you for my next run ty

 

IMO letting PB hit 19k max is a bad game design.
Instead of buffing HB/DK as originally intended, it ends up buffing HP washing a lot more.

If I were designing the PB, I would make it hitting 12k max (undodgeable) and 99k (dodgeable).
Hyperwashing still gives you advantages such as being able to tank 12k dmg twice.
But it requires same concentration and proficiency for all players to dodge the 1hit-KO dmg.
It also makes berserk possible, which is another way to buff DK.

There is still a need for hyperwashing to multi-attack easily.
More dodgeable 1hit-KO skills will make bossing less AFK.

 

My BM is now 188
Bishop 168
NL 138
Paladin 136

Other misc char/mules 50-100

I've been voting and still unable to play a properly washed char after all this time, when does that day come? When my dead char BM or bishop hit 200? Do I need to beat the game before I can actually attend PB, or basically any NT?

Playing the game is not a handout

 

Are we still pretending that drks exist on this server? Challenges will be LIT.
and on that day, not a single whisper was found

I don't even try to play my BM anymore, if someone reaches out I'll join because they already have a drk, so my BM does HT maybe 1-2 times/month at most.

 

Is this really a bad thing? People actually engaging in the game rather than parking 5 mages at ulu1 just so they afford to progress?

Gach would actually be profitable without getting ws/cs (level 1 entry)
Cwkpq profitable (level 145 entry)
Leech profitable (level 120 entry for mage ult)
Degen multimage which has been the source of nearly all class nerfs no longer the meta income
(Level 600 entry 5x120)

Entry level income that scales with levels (1h petri/skele/high tma for 5-6)

Boosted market interaction
Boosted bossing/player interaction
Mw20 prices drop for newer chars
Coin/ws/cs prices drop with additional coins in market

2017 multi attackers get nerfed because of additional bossing clears, but get to capitalize on cheaper ws/cs <- Reason no meaningful balance change happens

 

Unwashed ranged attacker can survive all content, even Auf. It's not pretty, but it can be done.

For newer players, I'd recommend to enjoy this slow and painful journey through early-mid game - it's the most memorable, and now with HP challenges it's going to be a lot less painful.

The late game meta is inevitably headed to where multi-attacking with two 30k NLs is both easier and more effective than playing any single attacker. Treasure the time where NX-gating is protecting you from terminal degeneracy, where you can still savor the fruit of the labor fresh off your single attacker's own two hands. The promised land is not as it seems.

 

you can still play single attacker if you want to :> no one is forcing you to dual client just because you can.

 

I think the issue is the repercussions at the systemic level, not the individual level. It's true you can still play a single attacker, but you'll be disadvantaged in doing so and may face a lot of frustration.

Let's take washing for example. Because the server implicitly encourages players to heavily wash, it means most characters levelling up 10-120 are doing so through leech, rather than PQing. While the individual can choose to PQ instead of washing and leeching, they'll find that the PQ population is pretty depleted at times and may face frustration trying to put together a party for PQs.

It's the same scenario here. By speeding up the process of creating multiple 30k NLs, other players who are trying to break into the bossing scene as unwashed, off-meta, or single client attackers will struggle to form parties, as the majority of the server will have moved on to more "meta" activities.

 

First of all, i never said it was a bad thing, i made those points to show that there will be drastic changes following the suggestion, not mere "side effects"

But nevertheless, it IS a bad thing. Any drastic changes and uncertainties in the market is a terrible thing. There will not be boost in market interaction, skyrocketing prices will cause people to simply hoard. the market would be even MORE dominated by few players who already have tons of bossing mules and mesos readily available. Leech profitability wont increase 4X like in the case for bosses, because only the rich can afford them. But the main point is, Economy is fragile and once broken, you cant repair it as easily as you broke it. That is why you cannot make drastic changes without very very careful thought, and even with careful thought, only make small changes at a time.

Also, player engagement will NOT increase because more people would simply solo bosses more often, especially if limited to 1 run a day. I would simply solo all the bosses i can, because why would i duo if i can just solo zak, berga, nameless, whatever. in fact, the less attackers you have, the more incentive there is to run low-man boss since it takes more time.

 

yes i totally agree! and it's all relative. right now there are people struggling to get into zakum runs as is already. and Subterlabor is also a player struggling to get into more "meta" profitable bossing situations. Becuase right now it takes forever to make 30k NLs. Either way, there are people getting shafted.

look, i dont agree with the idea of making APR cost nothing. nor do i think it will have even remotely good effect on the economy. I'm just saying people's current concerns are valid as well, since they are being gate-kept by NX/time.

 

okay let me be more clear. I agree this is a good advice. However, this is a ill-timed advice.

This is like telling a minimum-wage worker "enjoy your first minimum wage work that you recently got! don't ask for a raise".

you are free to single client as well. but why are you dual clienting and degen-ing? its becuase its more profitable. and players like subterlabor is wanting to get into more profitable situations, and is discontent becuase it takes years for him to get to that level while others are already there. He is discontent looking at people making more than he does because he started voting later than they did. Therefore, what these players will hear from your advice is "enjoy your low profit, noob" even if you meant it in a nice way. Becuase some of these people are NOT seeking nostalgia right now. they are seeking profit.

HOWEVER i am not saying they deserve to be spoon-fed. People who's been playing longer of course should have some sort of advantage. They were the adventureres, crafting meta and wasting a TON OF TIME AND MESO experimenting, and REMAKING their characters.

I think things should stay the way they are! However, don't tell the people that are discontent to just "enjoy" what they have, when you obvious DO have better things than they do.

I fully appreciate all the players that have paved the meta, through whihch i got to play bishop first, wash it to 6k hp, and have 30k bucc as my FIRST FUCKING ATTACKER, and now i have tons of other characters to enjoy the game and multi-attack. I couldnt have done it without you heroes.

 

I believe that the first step to playing a single char is accepting that farming meritocracy exists here, and that whoever farms more than you will have more mesos..

 

yes! and huge kudos to farming meta-finders. those who want to stay single client should accept that for sure

 

btw i was wrong about 4x, it should be 2x X)

but yeah a lot of books that still kept value (mw, gen) will go down to 0 bc they could probably eventually be generated faster than 4th job character creation

 

you need a new content circle. DKs are plentiful.