Revert Assassinate's Hitbox & First Four Foothold Requirement Removal

I agree! I think that assasinate's short horizontal range is very immersive with the skill animation, and dagger wielders in general. Our small chibi hands shouldn't have the same range as a two handed weapon in my opinion.

 

Whiffing a nate because of an unexpected hit/movement is a feels bad considering how slow the nate animation is and how long it takes to get back to neutral. Requiring a target to activate nate is a good compromise, but I think it doesn't solve the core issue in the all around clunkiness of the skill.

Personally, I think the clunkiness of gameplay comes from being stuck in an animation for so long that any sort of misplay compounding into worser consequences feels like shit. The dash iframes is what allows shadowers to manage this a bit better, but that too has problems where you can whiff a dash and become vulnerable. Perhaps an option that allows shadowers to recall their actions based on new information could be the better alternative.

What if assaulter gave the iframes instead of dash, and shadowers had the option to either dash for bonus damage or assaulter for less damage + iframes? This would neuter the damage ceiling as shadowers wouldn't be able to dash dance freely with invincibility with full damage, but they'd have both options to do so.

 

I don’t understand the poll X.X

 

In general, it seems the shadower buffs actually put them in a position where they are good. Their overall damage increase seems to be around the 10% ballpark but with their newfound damage efficiency it definitely ends up being way more. I believe the main issue this with the buffs were how "free" the nate dashing seems to be. There is no offside to it, it's just free and very rewarding which in terms gives this sense of it being overpowered. What i would do is instead of completely removing the mechanic i'd change it to be tied to the new active shifter where you'd lower the cooldown of shifter based on succesful nate dash procs. Everytime you fail a nate dash, or the boss weapon cancel it has a direct effect on the uptime of the "iframe nate dashing" Whatever the balanced uptime is thought to be is for the staff members to decide.

I think it would be nice if you could trigger the 5th nate hit in every boss (HT, i'm looking at you) since it would simply mean shadowers are effectively overall good in every content. In my opinion the issue with the current shad isn't the damage they do (It's good now, just not op) but how rewarding without any consequence the nate dash iframes are.

 

By free i don't mean it in the key inputs sense, i mean free in the sense that you get to nate dash iframe with zero set up or requirement. I thought that part was clear. I personally feel like nate dashing shouldnt be an option 100% of the time and it should require some set up or tradeoffs (relying on shifter for nate dashing, not having a separate mechanic just for extra iframes)

yes, i completely agree in the key input context and how tiring it can be it's definitely up there

 

I think nate needs to have it's dash iframes reduced, but the range is perfectly fine imo.

 

I've seen dash iframes reduce mentioned a bit, how long should they last?

 

There seems to be quite a few situations where you can dash back and forth and basically never get hit. Not sure what the prudent amount of frames would be, even if it were reduced by just a few frames it would probably be fine. You'd still give the invincibility, but the input window would be a lot smaller.

 

I agree the margin for error is a bit big right now, tightening it do that you really have to play perfect would make it better. I think the issue is the invincibility mechanic is something that is either too good, or useless, if you lower it enough that you can’t dash consistently it feels kind if useless, but if you’re always invincible as long as you do it well then it feels too broken.

 

Exactly that, either too good or useless. I'm afraid shortening the iframes would not do much more than make annoying gameplay more annoying, with even less freedom to do anything but dash.

 

If u just revert shad to pre-changes you don't have to deal with any of this