Stop map hogging please

On a serious note... I feel like this thread has shown us that we have a lot of bitterness and negativity towards each other in the community on certain topics, and its for no good reason (honestly there's never a good reason imo but alas...)

Although there's always been a certain amount of drama or bickering among our community, just like everywhere else, I feel like it has gotten worse over the past months and years, especially on the forums, but some on Discord too.

I am sure if some of us looked at our posting history (i am including myself), we might discover that it's pretty ugly and we might be interacting too much with non necessary drama or negativity, not posting enough about positive topics, being social, creating a fun environment for interesting discussion or topics. Many of us are just in a vicious circle of just arguing with others, replying to insults or drama when there's no need to fuel the fire, and only surrounding ourselves with people and topics that just piss us off or ruins our day.

I am guilty of this and I should do better, but I have been noticing recently a lot of people who were very positive and cheerful in the past, and posting and interacting with others in a very fun and light hearted way, are now just completely the opposite and it's tainting the community.

A lot of us changed and what I am seeing the past few days in this topic isn't pretty or really interesting to read. We're all just bitter, and closing the thread to stop the discussion temporarily solves it but... It won't really fix that feeling I've been having as of late, I think.

At least the mooing in some posts and Shoutbox changes the tone a bit I guess and maybe I am wrong and I'm the only one feeling that way, but personally it all just feels cold and lonely, and we should probably do better to be closer and more positive as a community with how we interact with each other, even if we don't all always agree on some things.

And again I'm applying all this to myself first. Just wanted to share my perspective.

 

You're right. It's very fucking hard. But you don't need to get the gs2 dual cleric farmer. You only need to get the big fishes, and these players use Discord. You don't sell/buy high level items on FM stores, so you need Discord for this. We don't ask for pb splits on ML chat or WhatsApp. None of those interactions are forced, but it's almost. Anyway you don't need Discord to get them. You can get them by looking into logs aswell. You said previously that "RWT is always detectable through our logs", so same will be to multifarmers. Discord would be just an extra tool for staff to investigate people, as we all know it's already used for that purpose.
Plus, could you really imagine having to play this game with multiple characters, at an endgame level, without being able to make any mistake that reveals it's a single person? This is actually impossible. I would even bet it's lonely enough to make you quit 1 week later. Anyway, it's just something you said: if it has positive aspects aswell, you can let people exist for long time, and there's not much problem with it. Tbh would be even better if you could catch a multimager/attacker after he leveled and geared his whole setup and farmed some billions.
And a last thing, the staff will be helped by players regarding this. It already happens with other rules. We gonna split the work with ya. I and some friends would be very happy to contribute to cleaning up the rats on ML. Can't wait to put our police car on the streets.

Oh, please. It's the same I come to someone saying "oh well I could say you're terrible at your work and you always get late for it, but I won't say that". You literally did say. I can't even go as low as you did, so I better close forums since it's clear you already have your decision.

 

I understand what fael is saying here, and I don’t think it’s an idiotic take. Multi client being allowed is fine, but I think the argument of “it’s impossible to enforce so we just allow it” is a weak one at best. Just say MC is allowed and leave it at that.

Nobody is saying that hacking should also be allowed. Nobody is even saying “Multi-client bad” here. The reference to hackers was that was something that also can’t be 100% enforced as players can just make new accounts/get vpns and continue their disruptive behavior, the exact reasons listed for why MC isn’t banned. Nightz said that enforcing RWT/Hacking bans is already time consuming enough that they don’t need to add more to their plate with MC players too. I think this is a better argument to allow MC than the tried and true “what if siblings or spouses are playing together”.

There are tests that players go through to check if they’re paper weight botting. There are checks that make sure people aren’t scripting and are actually playing the game. I know it would require development time (assuming an MC ban ever hit the ToS) but I don’t know why we’re pretending that players would only be targeted and banned based off of reports and nothing else. Someone in the thread had already come up with an idea of a small/simple jump quest where a player could be asked to do it on any number of “suspicious characters” at the same time. I don’t think it’s a good use of resources, and I think that MC offers significantly more pros than cons so it should not be banned.


Misrepresenting fael’s arguments and then calling him an idiot because you’re tired of seeing people talk about Multiclienting on the forums is a crazy take. I’d say talking about it should be banned, but players would continue to do it behind a vpn on new accounts.

 

Let's imagine a hypothetical scenario where multi-clienting is no longer possible; anyone starting on the server today won't even be able to use another account even if it's just for something as basic as an owl mule
(while logging into the main account)
While there are people who have been using multi-client from the very beginning, basically?

 

Why is it so hard to understand? And even if we were really arguing about it, my point was always about multimaging/multiattacking, not multiclienting in general. You're completely off-topic and you're ridiculously trying to find some straw man to beat at.

 

Actually, I just expressed myself incorrectly,
Luckily today I don't have time to look for a straw to beat up, I'm working.

To put it another way: given that multimagic/multiattack is an old feature that many people have benefited from, wouldn't blocking it now be detrimental to new players?

I know there's the side that's a huge snowball effect, but anyway, I'd like to hear it.

 

To put it another way: given that HP wash on beginner mages is an old feature that many people have benefited from, wouldn't blocking it now be detrimental to new players?
To put it another way: given that hammer paladin mules are an old feature that many people have benefited from, wouldn't blocking it now be detrimental to new players?
To put it another way: given that dex buccaneer mules are an old feature that many people have benefited from, wouldn't blocking it now be detrimental to new players?
To put it another way: given that Prestigious Coins a new feature that many people have not benefited from, wouldn't allowing it now be detrimental to old players?

 

stop forum hogging please

 

How have you guys managed to turn this thread into a worse disaster than it was at the start

 

It’s time for another thread complaining about NL.

 

im the most prestiged multifarming hater i never stop hating

 

A common trait in all the threads with this kind of meme discourse is usually someone or some people who seems to care more about how other people play and enjoy the game more than they play the game themselves.

It’s quite amusing how passionate people are on forums even though they don’t play anymore.

 

My dad used to say something along the lines of : "your pleasure end where it start for other's"
never made sense to me but i think it resonate with the theme

 

i only have 3 words cheese oh wee!!!! "in translate oh my god this thread is a big mess!"

 

make it stop please we here to play not to fight. if this keep going kimmy going to close this thread for good.

 

This thread is the idea of 2000's era's doomscrolling.

 

It's quite amusing that we suddenly stopped focusing on the ideas that were being discussed in the topic and now we're more concerned with whether people play for 12 or 1 hour a day, or the false concern for the future of new players without multifarming, or how people want to control your game (which is the most curious, imagine thinking you're so important in a game that you believe people are genuinely concerned and fighting to change what you're doing just for this reason).
But I understand, after the absurd things said and inputted before, it's easier to try to shift the focus to this issue. It's the famous straw man fallacy on its most classic form. And some people are incredibly and blindly falling into it.