(Tease) Marksman improvements

Fuck Grizzly, getting Panda to 120. Marksman is good now guys. Let's go.

 

OH. MAH. GAWD. KEEM. I LOVE YOU.

Holy shit. Holy shit. Holy shit. I can't wait to actually get to be really active again - looking forward to making a Marksman [in the way distant] future

For now, I'll squee like a fangrill and say praisebeLegends. fryber you ready for this?

 

How am I gonna make fun of this fucker deribou now


wait he still has a drk LUL

 

I'm in a real pickle now, I might max pierce before Dragon's Breath....

 

You mean HB Mule only :^)

 

What are your order of skills?
I'm assuming you've done Xbow Expert 30 and SE 30 which would be 120-140; what else did you spec into o:

 

Regardless if correct I went: SE>Snipe>Expert>MW 9>Frostprey 21 (Probably going to reset into Pierce)

With 1 point in Dragon's Breath, Hero's Will, and Pierce currently.

 

Eh, I'm not too concerned with order of 120-140 but I'm just assuming that most people do SE and Expert for the stable damage; whatever you pick, even if neither of those two, is fine if you enjoy it. Interesting that you went Snipe second though; I figure it would have been more productive to get pierce and duo skele but idk if you prefer bossing.

Does Dragon's Breath KB or mobbing go up in levels? I can't actually recall cuz it's been about a year or so since I last had a marksman on any server. Also, why reset the Frostprey to Pierce (as in, why not just add Pierce from now on)?

 

What about xAznMikeyx ? ^^
Kim this is kickass! I don't have any characters with these classes but I'm really excited for others! Thanks for taking the time!!

 

you do that unless you have access to snipe 30 books
which in that case you do SE->Snipe->Expert

 

These are great changes, Kimberly. I'm so glad you aren't just sticking strictly to v62 anymore... well, I guess on a number of content/things the server hasn't, but now even diverging from mechanics is a BIG step.

So have all the snipe levels' cooldown been reduced by 5 seconds?

 

Wow, this is quite the change. Marksman might now possibly be better then BM.

 

As far as I remember, MM have always been better than unfunded BM until late/end game; I think it really depends on the BM's stats (dex/att) because Hurricane is pretty busted - idk the exact numbers any "high level" BM hit but I'm pretty sure if a BM even hits like 15-20k per arrow they will outstrip MMs considering Snipe is once every 5s and then they rely on Strafe/Frostprey damage.

This is just my hypothesis and estimates, but I'll try to actually have real data at some point.

Consider the span of in between Snipe; Snipe = 200k then you're left to Strafe/Frostprey (which I have no idea what that damage would total to over 4s since idk the cast time of strafe with or without booster+SI) but let's safely assume that within the realm of 1 snipe cast you can hit like 400-500k (not so sure how much people actually hit per line of Strafe here, on both regular mobs or bosses).

A BM that hits 15-20k per arrow of Hurricane (8.33 Arrows/sec), which, has one advantage because in the 4.XX seconds (as snipe should come up at exactly 5) you could probably hit like 36-39 arrows. Let's look at 15*36 as 540 or 20*360 as 720k. That range gap is huge but it does seem to outstrip MMs.

*Note that I actually have like 0 idea of what a BM is supposed to hit here, but I figure that 15-20k isn't that much of a stretch by "late" late-game (AKA 18X+).

But considering this server's rates, I'm pretty sure you're not wrong about MM being superior because it's rather challenging to get to such a high level and even have decent attack items (also, considering the highest attack pot we currently have common access to is the Heartstopper, this damage of 15-20k might be a bit rough; I'll do number checks soon I guess).

Edit: Turns out that Hurricane, I think, is 100% damage per arrow here? I'm not sure how often you could actually outdamage MM then, as I'm unsure of how high upper level bowman ranges actually are, or how much Crit can really amp someone's damage.

 

It's what happens in between Snipe that will make or break it. The choice is between Strafe and Piercing Arrow. If you are going to check, I suggest you look into the various situations with Piercing Arrow as well. Just to make sure. Take into account that this skill also gets a buff this patch.

I could give you BM specific numbers if you want. Lvl 173 with a medium to good bow here.

 

Would pierce actually strike better on bosses? I thought the skill picked up damage as it went through mobs; thus making it weaker if you were bossing, perhaps.

I should probably mention my comparisons there were only for a single mob, probably for bosses (I only mentioned damage on regular mobs because I don't know how much the discrepancy is when you switch from one to the other with archer skills).

If we're talking about training damage, I think we're clear that MM is vastly superior, but I'd like to stick on the topic of bossing for comparing damage.

Edit: Just remembered Pierce is useful for arms; so now damage depends on the boss/ phase of the boss.

Also, I forgot that Hurricane can pin so it seems to be the victor at high dmg bosses like Tengu/Anego

 

As it stands right now with the 10 second CD I currently get 12 strafes with booster. From my experiences with HT, SI allows me a 13th strafe. Per strafe my damage can vary between 16k (no crits) to 70k (all 4 crit).

My choice for 120-140 was fueled by my lack of damage output (161 base INT) so having SE and Snipe were a bit more appealling compared to Expert.

 

We should do a DPM test between each other once the patch hits. Get solid numbers to our stats. See which class is the better, BM or MM.

 

When you're listing the 16-70k differential, I'm assuming you were on stoppers the entire time, correct?

fryber Sam_Vosh when you guys test, you guys should compare the different between unbuffed (or low att pot) vs Heartstoppers damage. If you'd like, I'd be willing to farm them for you if you don't want to spend the money on that.