The Sushi Problem

Your best solution to handle this is not to make a dk. if buying sushi hurts your pocket dont buy it. anyways why it hurts your pocket? with 400 sushis (1,2m) you can literally do your 2 HT runs no problem. Sushi price means nothing compared to buy 500 cheese (2,25m) or Milk (2,5m) for 2 HT runs. ok if you feel that sushi its not healing you enought to consider it worthable i might say your hp its too low and you having hard time at zerking i am wrong?. 6k HP I get per sushi and as a DK you dont need to wash too much to get 18,750 hp clean (Aka 30k HP with your skill that you have in your hands always).

Well anyways if buying pots pushes you to poverty you gotta stop being a fm hoe and start farming or doing something productive.

 

We are memeing tho i like this guy
And in regards to the other thing, I think its kinda meh that some classes don’t even get close to dks pot usage and they’re the better-pick than dks in bosses.

 

what bishops are using heal in zakum? angel ray does more damage!!!

I do agree though; Sushi should be around 1.5~1.8k.

 

People should really try to compare costs to squishy classes, because they'll tend to spend a lot more. They don't consider the value added by just having a 30k tank all of the time.

Let's say you're a Bowmaster with 10k HP clean, a Honster will heal 6,000 HP and cost 2800 mesos. It's a pretty similar cost to Sushi, only this is what you need to do for every hit. And it only gets more expensive if it's a 1/1, as in HT if wings are up you wouldn't be safe with only 6k, you'd need to double pot, increasing costs further.

With HB(And maybe a tiny bit more HP?) you'd be able to just use autopot Honster the whole fight, but it's still a pretty significant cost.

Also DKs are lucky they aren't sent into the confides of Legs/Tail for cleave, that's pot burn central. :^)

 

Speak for yourself. If you run with Serperior you will get called a hero and "time to cleave leg/tail kekw".

 

MrHERO, one of the many alter ego's of MrPresident. Followed by MrPaladin

 

I ve never thought she do tell you to do such pepega move.

 

They already give u a good dk buff and you still whine meanwhile my hero enrage skill buff has been ignored for a year.
This is why they should just revert sushi's and remove dks in general since it's so underpowered class.

 

I get where xNivx & Alyosha are coming from, both of you guys have valid points.

As a DK main, even though I don't HT anymore after addition of Sushi, I find Sushi's price is pretty well balanced.
You didn't have a choice other than Reindeer Milk (5k HP) or Cheese (4k HP) when you want to maintain Berserk during HT.
Sushi gives you 20% HP & MP compared to Flat HP from two potions mentioned above, DKs should be satisfied about potion costs.
You should be thankful that you don't literally have to spend 1 meso to 1 HP ratio.

Yes, it might seem quite unfair that Sushi's price/healing ratio is inferior to NLC pots if you just compare them face to face.
However as Alyosha stated, DKs don't really use "that much" of potions during HT run if "you know when to pot or not to" compared to some "not heavily washed ranged attackers."
You shouldn't pot just because your HP is below some HP threshold.
For example, let's say your HP is around 7~8k HP when you are at right side cleaving 3 parts.
You might die "only if" you take wing slap damage, other than that, you should not pot at all until you take damage.
If you take 1/1 or 5~6k damage from buffed head, you can get away with using 1 ginseng root instead of just potting sushi.
"You need to look what attack you will take next" and potion accordingly to maintain berserk efficiently.
Moreover, I suggest DK players to practice mp pot manually since auto mp can fail auto hp sometimes.
Don't get me wrong, this will surely cost you a lot of practices and deaths, it will be worth in the end if you really want to main DK.

TLDR;
I don't think Sushi is overpriced, it's actually well balanced as is.
DKs should work out how they can improve potting during boss fight, that's where the fun comes from maining DK.

 

Your comment is basically the tl;dr of the whole discussion I think..
You're 100% right, when I wrote down my comment it was based on "ok how do i make my life easier".
So yea, 3k for each pot instead of 4.5k/5k is a pretty pog change and im grateful.

 

Just beg for milk from your guildies. That’s what I do

I’ve heard new drks are using 1200 sushi for 2 ht runs and I’m baffled. I barely used 50milk per ht run.

 

Ive GOT IT. It must be the plum, everything else is just rice, thats one expensive plum

 

Agree with Andrew. "the higher the recovery, the higher the price"

 

Just wanted to resurface this thread...

Was there any consideration for lower level Dark Knights and not-HT?

The price of sushi is a big barrier for newer players who don't have funds and don't have achilles yet. A new player with a level 130 dark knight will not be able to even cwkpq consistently based on the cost. Just using auto-hp at 35% with plum sushis, I use 500 sushis (1.5mil) on average per run (without achilles). This is an upper bound of cost since dark knights use both ginseng roots and sushis based on their hp, but what new player can spend even 1mil per run of cwkpq?

Can we also add all the different types of sushis to add diversity of pot types?

They can be charged with a premium like the 20% sushi compared to NLC pots but it would be great to have variety

I propose:
- Triangular Sushi(plum): 20% hp and mp for 2000 mesos
- Triangular Sushi(salmon): 30% hp and mp for 2500 mesos
- Triangular Sushi(bonito): 40% hp and mp for 3000 mesos
- Triangular Sushi(pollack): 50% hp and mp for 3500 mesos
- Triangular Sushi(mushroom): 60% hp and mp for 4000 mesos

For comparison:
- Ginseng Root: 40% hp and mp for 2100 mesos
- Ginger Ale: 75% hp and mp for 3800 mesos
- Elixir: 50% hp and mp for 3000 mesos (on average based on OwlRepo)
- Power Elixir: 100% hp and mp for 4000 mesos (on average based on OwlRepo)

 

This exorbitant price was justified for being able to have greater up-time on zerk. You can absolutely make do without sushis.
I have bought 0 sushis and used 0 sushis till date. (I use donated milk)

I am very vocal about my hate for sushis within my guild and friends because it dumbs down zerking. Prior to the addition of this luxury item, you'd be more aware of exactly when to use or not use cheese/milk. Now, new dks are putting them on autopot and spending upward of 1000 sushi per 2 HT runs instead of learning how to zerk efficiently and not blow mesos away. I absolutely am for the suggestion made by joot. If you're going to make zerking easy, give access to all - rich or poor.

Yours sincerely,
a salty broke-ass DK

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that DKs use ginseng roots on autopot at a lower threshold (15%) and use sushi when they drop below the HP threshold of the highest attack (wings). Who's putting sushi on autopot?

 

It's just an upper bound. And yes from my understanding, most drks put auto hp on 20~25% for ginsengs. but even for bosses like CWK and Scar/Targa, if you have ginseng set for 20%, you'll die from one empowered attack or one missed auto-hp if you don't use a sushi in time.

I'm also not asking for sushis to be as cost efficient as NLC pots, but just to reduce how much of a premium it is ^^

 

I thought the point of using sushi over cheese / milk is that sushi is more cost effective. They heal 2hp per 1 meso (assuming 30k hp), which make them about half the cost?

 

More variety in pots could be useful but I'm not sure how much better a 30% pot is than a 20%. There could be some merit to lower level DK having a harder time in cwk but going back to the start of cwk we were using ginseng and milks which is far more expensive than ginseng and sushi. That said personally I don't have a problem with sushi prices and if you want to autopot sushi then you should pay a premium for the convenience they add.