The Sushi Problem

They are more cost-efficient. That's the justification for its cost right now. But it's still pricey. People are already using them freely and swallowing the pot cost. Joot's point about new players not being able to sustain the pot cost is very valid and even with 100% uptime the DPM output does not outclass other similarly powered classes.. So, why not reduce the cost?

 

Oh sorry, I guess I wasn't clear with what I meant. I'm not saying the current price of sushi is fine. I can gather that the general sentiment is that sushi is the best option we have, but it's still too expensive. I was just surprised to hear you advocating for and personally using milk instead, and was wondering why.

 

Just NPC the milk for like 2.5k and buy a sushi for 3k now you get 20% MP healing for just 500 meso :^)

 

For Scarga that hits 8-10k, wouldn't it just make sense to reverse the auto-pot for these bosses? Increase the auto-pot hp threshold with sushi and only use ginseng when autopot fails and you dip below 6k. Isn't the highest attacks from those bosses based on touch damage? Unless you're facetanking for some reason, the potting situation doesn't seem all too precarious to me. Not too sure about CWK damage range, though.

I can see why people want to lower the sushi premium, but I agree with Pres that there should be some penalty or premium price to pay if people are going to just autopot sushi all the time. Lowering the cost of sushi might encourage more of that laziness and standardize that type of play.

Also, don't DKs have maxed Achilles by early 16x?

 

Akash is right. I can only afford to hate sushis because of my friends' generosity.
I also don't use that much milk.. so that helps.

 

IMO all of auto potting is laziness. Why should drks only get a penalty for laziness? Drks still have to maintain a low hp so auto-hp isn't always reliable just like for other classes

Before someone goes ahead and comments that that's part of the drk class identity, I'd add that maintaining low hp is the drk class identity, not needing to manually pot.

From what I have seen, most drks quit before reaching 16x because zerking is difficult. If you make it to 16x, you're probably already confident in your zerking skills and won't need this extra support anyways

 

But what bosses are DKs fighting before 16x that actually do that kind of damage?
Standardizing sushi on autopot would be akin to turning DKs into Heroes.

 

Drks still have a high chance of dying from maintaining low hp which isn't a problem for heroes

CWK cleave bosses will hit 6k when the bosses use attack buff

 

So is DPM optimization at that level so important that you'd be willing to overspend on sushi for 1 or 2 attacks without zerk? I feel like the simpler solution is to just increase your autopot threshold to 30% and accept the lower zerk upkeep. Over time, as you get more comfortable with managing your HP, you can lower it.

Standardizing sushi on autopot will make DKs just as braindead as heroes. Sure, you won't be able to walk into head, but you'd be able to set your autopot at 40% and zerk throughout the entire run without fear of dying.

 

Like I just said, drks still need to maintain low hp so it won't be braindead

It's not about DPM so much it is about making this class more accessible. It's not like zerking 100% of the time is stronger than comparable classes anyways. Also not sure if you have a drk or not, but if you don't, you should try it

 

Maintaining a low hp is only a problem when the damage being done is >15k.
A 30k dk would be using a 35% autopot threshold/10.5k hp with 20% sushies.
A 30k hp hero would be using a 40% autopot threshold/12k hp with 60% honsters.

And I have a DK but I don't play it as much because I'm busy with other characters. :^)

At what point did it become an accessibility issue? Is the learning curve for not dying really that high?

 

DK's class identity is hating themselves so I propose the game be made harder for them. Back to 40% zerk because 55% just feels braindead easy at this point

 

Make zerk damage scale with missing hp%

 

If zerk scaled with hp based on every 5% of hp that would be the most ideal.

i.e.
100% hp: +0% damage
95% hp: +11% damage
90% hp: +22% damage
85% hp: +33% damage
80% hp: +44% damage
75% hp: +56% damage
70% hp: +67% damage
65% hp: +78% damage
60% hp: +89% damage
55% hp or below: +100% damage

 

Power Crash

 

50% hp: +101% damage
45% hp: +102% damage
40% hp: +103% damage
35% hp: +104% damage
30% hp: +105% damage
25% hp: +106% damage
20% hp: +107% damage
15% hp: +108% damage
10% hp: +109% damage
5% hp: +110% damage
<1% hp: +200% damage

edit: imagine the DK+shad 1% smoke combo play

 

Honestly, this damage scaling is pretty reasonable. Feels pretty bad making them go through so much trouble just to match dpm with heroes.

They do mage-tier damage at toad if they don't want to risk zerking

 

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