Thoughts and suggestions on washing mechanic

I think this touches on another problem created by washing, it lessens the uniqueness of playing a warrior if all the classes have high HP.

 

Voting shouldn't be an issue, its basically free in-game cash if you vote on your account that you currently play then isn't that a 'the pot is calling the kettle black' proverb?

Spoiler: A stitch in time saves nine

The 'stitch in time' is simply the prompt sewing up of a small hole or tear in a piece of material, so saving the need for more stitching at a later date when the hole has become larger.

Spoiler: Reasoning

Stack up vote NX play an account thats a mage get INT equips consistently voting on other. Everyone does it, even on multiple accounts Owl mules, HS mules, HB mules, MU mules, SE mules, SI mules(rip).

This contradicts with what you're saying, if bankruptcy is what you're describing it to be theres no cash money involved, its free.

Version 62 of MapleStory is entirely different, BigBang gave terrible EXP curves made traveling easier which means no ones there to socialize with anyone unless you want the only reading to be from NPCs instead of actual people typing..

I've re-downloaded GMS to see if anyone still played, and nobody does. I've seen one player just making a Dawn Warrior from the Cygnus Knights class since the game was a ghost town and that player there was the only person there (a total stranger) I gave them 980mil, 7 sets of Balanced Furies, the game changed to the point where you can't even trade chairs otherwise I've given them my chair list, legit no one is there unless you go over to Reboot which again, you can't trade with anyone.

People don't want the BigBang update, I've found a video that will actually explain more.


0:21 is where it starts if you want to skip the intro

 

Yes, I did read them. All of them.
The whole point to HP wash is to get extra points from MP that INT gives provides which gives them the only possible way to get gains.

If I made my own server i would still keep HP washing, but I'd implement it two ways.

Spoiler: How I would implement HP washing

The tl;dr for most players is:

• Old players can continue washing for as long as they want. We will give old players the ability to switch to this system. This means that all old players (washed or unwashed) will be able to have a similar base HP value as players who have washed - all old or current Thieves/Bowmen/Corsairs can use this new system to upgrade their base HP to 19,000+.
  • After switching over, they will no longer gain extra MP with INT (unless they're a Magician) and they won't be able to alter HP/MP (either adding or subtracting) using AP resets. Instead, they will raid Horntail to upgrade their HP.
• New players will no longer gain extra MP with INT (unless they're a Magician) and they won't be able to alter HP/MP (either adding or subtracting) using AP resets.
  • Instead, they will raid for HP. There's no need to understand the numbers I've included in this thread. The system is very streamlined - you get a Badge of Zakum or Badge of Horntail and you'll have the option to exchange it for HP. You can do this a limited amount of times (10 times for Zakum and 30 times for Horntail).

The other thing is washing is optional as deemed by the server, so to be real if you wanted it to be played 'how its meant to be played' you can do as you wish, but what you're implying is having it removed for the game entirely, if you don't want to do it you don't have to.

 

because mainly your suggestions currently objectively nullifies old washers, and subjectively do not place enough efforts.

leeching may or may not be easy, i wont know. but imo making lvl 120 mage isnt easy imo, and getting all those mesos for int gear for meta isnt easy imo. if you decide to not go for int gear, getting 2m vote nx is too, not easy imo.

and no, maplelegends is not prepared for sunk cost fallency - this isn't the right server for you. there are other servers that eliminated HP washing, and may better suit your gameplay

 

I know you come from a good place kickserve of trying to refine things around the hp washing issue but I am going to go out on a limb and say you haven't been here that long or probably have not read the numerous other hp washing threads where people have approached this very topic with the same angles you are using now. So while I appreciate your efforts and such it is unlikely anything will change soon. (maybe some extra +Hp items here and there)

 

Again and again, I've said that I've agreed with your opinion on HP washing. Whether you add INT or not you should be capable of participating every content in game, and that includes toad and pink bean. You said your solution was not a fully-fleshed idea, and I told you why your idea would not work. But from my perspective, you decided to push on the incomplete idea, and I'm just constantly parroting on why it would not work.

Had someone suggested this earlier, it would have taken a much positive turn. Both washed and unwashed players can get the token, old player's washing efforts will not get nullified. How much effort does it requires to get the token (or maybe boss ring if token is not possible), can be decided by the staffs themselves. This is much similar to the reverse cape idea that I had in mind. I too, want to play BM without adding INT or going through washing hell. But again and again, you suggested the incomplete idea and ignored the effort that staffs had wished for.

Its not my intention to ask you to leave. But im telling you that there are other servers that did almost exactly what you have requested here, hence it might be worthy of your time to look at it.

 

Apologies, I may have missed out on this. However, compensation means players are getting rewarded (getting free items or vote cash for e.g, does not have to be HP) without any efforts. While this is not official, I believed the quest ring was not implemented for the same reason.

If compensation is out of the picture, which I explained why above, players effort of washing characters till minimum HP requirements will be nullified. The HP solution must not only benefit non-washers, but also washers. Hence, the monster ring is a great solution.[/QUOTE]

No, I did not think you are advocating on taking out washing completely. On your idea, I am aware that players, new and old, are allowed to choose to wash, or not to wash. The problem lies in the existing players - that has washed to minimum HP requirements - are nullified.

The 3rd point I've made is Monster Ring. Hunt 300 card sets to get 1k HP. This is a very big effort, and usually people megas it when they just completed their T10.
I personally wish to see new HP sources similar to Monster Rings. While the way to get it can be different, the effort must stay the same, if not more.

Regarding leeching, you may be right, the process of leeching itself, as explained by yurain, might be easy. I do not leech so I cannot comment. Lets assume that its low effort for now. However, getting a bishop to lvl 120 does not seems low effort imo. And if you are self-leeching to lvl 155, you probably either need Arch Mage + HS Mule for shaolin 5-6, or a well-funded or high level bishop (lvl 160+? correct me if im wrong) to 1-hit skele, is not low effort.

Basically, the leeching process may be easy, but getting characters that can leech you to lvl 120, or even 155, is not easy.

From how much you are forcing ML to change using your proposed, incomplete idea, I don't think its unfair for me to state it. I've stated that your idea is flawed, and you stated that mine is flawed. While I did not continue push for mine, you continued to push for yours, without important changes to fix issues, or with new ways that gives the same result but avoids the issues. From my POV, it seems like you stubbornly forcing the implementation - which is to wash below minimum MP thresholds, rather than the actual result, which is a playable BM/NL/Corsair that does not need washing.

It's true that the customer is the most important. But you cannot please every customer. If you are one of them, I can only ask you to buy another brand for I'm not able to offer what he wanted.

 

I never claimed that you said that yours is the best. I just said you kept pushing for yours.

Anyways, someone else had a different suggestions to go with, you may want to take a look at it instead: https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/the-hp-buff-item-in-depth.36925/

 

Even if the server decides to make radical changes suggested by OP or literally any other HP washing thread (which will never happen btw), the same type of people will just keep coming in and ask for changes to "alleviate HP washing" or "make HP washing easier".

This server went from no HP items, to the addition of MB ring + elin forest and allowing multi-vote + votestreak + additional voting site. HP items (albeit worse for some classes) such as BFC and MoN were also added to relieve some of the burden from washing. Events went from giving NO HP items to giving HP items every 2 events to giving HP items EVERY event so that people who missed out on that 1 event won't miss out on additional HP for the rest of the year.

Yet we still have pepegas complaining and asking for washing changes every fortnight. I wonder if these people ever stopped to think that maybe the way the server is built isn't catered to what they are looking for. To quote someone, "I'd rather play a server with washing than a dead server".

 

Just as you're free to make whatever suggestions you want, so are other people of the community free to laugh at you for acting like an idiot. If you can't stand people talking whatever they want about you and your opinions, then it might be best for you to keep your keyboard shut so there's nothing for people to criticize you on.

 

I mean washing isn't the coolest thing, but I think we're fine with HP items. It's just all about time. In the meantime, you can try creating funds for your washed character by creating another char. I know it's pretty typical, but until some changes happened that's just how it is. Also, having to have HB until you feel comfortable training without it means you get to meet some dark knights you might be able to become friends with in the early stages of MapleLegends. ^-^ A talk goes a very long way.

After all, people is what really makes training/bossing great. Until you meet DuckTales, he's just gonna spam anime pictures at you, but overall you're good with most of the people here.