Update washing to encourage new players and existing players

okay cool, not what I am saying, I am talking about events, you are talking about total apr from the entire year??

 

God I'm out, you won.

 

HP Challenge is the best feature this server came up with and it was the best solution/workaround given the state the server was in, without removing HP washing. I never thought I would be seeing people asking for more from HP challenge.

Why is this not optional?

The only content you are "HP locked" from as a ranged attacker on HPC are PB and toad. So is this suggestion asking for more HP from challenges for ranged classes so they can do PB and toad without HB? Is it too unfair that you need HB to do 2 content in the game, if you go the HP challenge route?

 

If You Give a Mouse a Cookie by Laura Numeroff

 

Juneee play toontown with mee

 

You can wash in even less than that if you lower your wash goals. Nowadays it seems like the narrative is "30k or bust," but back when I made my BM, washing to 15k or 18k wasn't considered weird, and the only content releases since then (NT2, Ellin2) haven’t really significantly changed HP thresholds that much.

My first attacker and the one I still play the most is only washed to 18k HP, and was fully washed out in a little over 4 months, and it's usually not too big of an issue. I'll die to sed every now and then but it's not really that big of a loss. Apples are only 2m and it's not like my HP is restricting me from joining any content.

I know people say to wash to 30k to futureproof your character, but they've been saying that for like 6 years now and this character is still relevant. I think 4-6 months is a perfectly reasonable amount of time to make a long-term washed character, personally. This narrative of needing to wait 3+ years before you can play the game needs to die.

 

If you aren't awared, actually I'm heavily against of washing itself, but that doesn't mean whoever tried hard on washing to archive their goals should be underlooked.

That's why I told 'this is where we are, sadly'. Let's be real. Nobody loves to vote with dicking GTOP for years, they're doing not because they love washing and support it, but system asks us to do that if we want caviar sandwich, so we do.

Also reason why I don't rampage around like 'let's make every chars HP into HPC HP!' goes with it.

 

I trained hard during kindergarten so i can count rocks in my 20s. Now my only wish is GTOP make the rocks fly around so i can have a little challenge while voting.

 

1. Have you ever played mage in HT or Auf?
Have you ever played mage or muled your bishop in PB?
Have you ever multi-mage or sold 5-6f leech?

2.In terms of nx, do you have statistics with a percentage of people who participated hard cwk, sell low lv leech or card farming to loot nx or clearing GPQ and who only voted?

 

You might call it... an HP challenge

 

I was lazy to take record for CWKPQ nx but my partner was nerd for taking record, I got quite good reference from him.
Duo run, he opens 12 boxes and wastes 3 boxes lmao
He said he's getting 3500~4500 nx per a day from 2 runs (=24 boxes). have enough size to say it as statistics.

 

ludipq gives nx too right?

 

yup, i did LPQ a lot to farm nx on my mule, but i realized cwk(3~4man)+gpq(all people should be experienced. 4~5man run is pretty decent to farm nx) is better than doing lpq hundreds of times.

One of the con doing GPQ is that it is hard to find same-hearted people and not everyone like to clear jump quest. Also lower than LV31 gpq mule is required.

On the other hand, the stage before boss(123456789 one) sometimes take too long, and LV 50 lpq mules, usually thief, have to die a lot of times to perma cap their level.

As there are some GPQ-exclusive skillbooks, gpq enjoyers can make some meso and meme guild points but the opportunity cost is exp.

 

I really disliked GPQ for how it's hard to form a team to run (and honestly disliked to learn how to do that), but still I wanted more NX farming for my 30k-to-be NL, Also I wanted to farm mesos, so my choice was
Instead of asking on forum 'more sugar please', just made another bsp on same account with NL and decided to farm ulu2 a lot on that bsp.

Things went seriously wrong, I felt fun from playing bsp in HT so plan changed so hard, decided to spend lots of NX on bsp (and abandoned NL bc boring af), to do even HP washing (from lv.120? or something like that, was where I started MP washing iirc. It was for 30k mp, but decided to go further continue with stale wash, for contents after 30k mp), instead of pushing all the NX onto my needylord. Yes, that's how my 2nd bsp became actual bossing bsp, instead of being planned as 'devoted nx farming bsp'

So yes, 'making nx farming mage on same account' could be a solution, for some players can commit it. Imagine if I didn't spend any nx on bsp, and pushed all the nx to NL. Seems like good example of 'reward the playing' too.
(You know that? HPC giving 30k MP on bsp is best for this purpose too)

Also that account haven't ever gained single APR from any events. Maybe hit 30k already on NL aswell if I participated events so hard.



There are many alternative ways can shorten progress for your goal, rather than crying on forum.

 

back in my day, I had to walk barefoot across the snowy cliffs of el nath to get to zak school. you kids have it so easy these days!

 

This comes across as a little dramatic. Nobody is saying “I suffered, therefore you do too.” Washing is not hard, nor is washing to 30k mandatory.

Washing out a ranged attacker to 18 or even 20k can be done in 4-6 months, which is far faster than most players even reach level 160, let alone 175 where the HP actually starts mattering. Most casuals will never even reach 150, and the challenges are fine for them.

Washing to 30k is an unnecessary luxury that some players undertake as an added challenge. It’s not something that should be expected or given freely.

 

Also talking about 30k



Yes, I see going 30k is optional challenge, not something everybody should reach.
You can choice 'lower goal, with lower pain' just like I picked aswell ago, because I didn't want to vote 'years' to make char playable aswell. In exchange, of course it's a bit unstable than 30k BMs, but that's the path I decided to go, not to wait years with hundreds of INTs being unplayable (or griefing others leeching in contents). I enjoyed that char a lot, and still she's working so hard as current my only playable SE char.

30k is sometimes mental-disease.
Nobody cares about you're 30k or not if you carry your own weight properly and well.

No, Not all of us decided to suffer like that. Suffering is optional, self-satisfaction goal it is, nothing more.

 

Also this can say why HPC is so great.




This 'low-pain planned shadower' paid 3.3m nx to have 15.8k hp in base, at lv.200. base INT was 180.
Now HPC shadowers can have 12.5k hp in base approx, at lv.200, without any APRs, without any dmg penalties.

So that dumb shad paid 3.3m nx to get just 3.3k more HP than HPC shads (yes, 1 hp : 1000 nx rate lulz, not even 25~50 hp : 5000 nx as someone suggested), which technically have no difference, just because I had no HPC in my shad growing days.
Without single joke, I really envy (and even feel jealousy sometimes) current newcomers have HPC which I didn't have when I was on stage of growing.
Both can do PB without HB, both die in PB with 2 bodyhug. there're some niche advantage for having 3.3k more but it really doesn't matter now.

Stil had no any single issue for doing whatever I wanted to do, without HB everywhere.
Maybe that's why many OGs in this thread are saying 'why so sticking on 30k? it's optional challenge, not a must thing for everybody'.
I won't deal anymore if someone still says 'But 30 > 15.5, NO DEAL' like happened on somewhere else.

See, I fucking dislike washing, wholeheartly.

 

it was a joke

 

I mean 3.3m nx = 3.3k dollars in old school maple.