What is the best warrior classs??!?!

^ Ya Idk what he's on about there. Heros & pallies have thee exact same defensive skills (achilles + guardian + power guard). We do however get more MP gain from job advance to be able to wash easier than heroes, but that's 100% neglectable. So you're right about that being false.

Please refer to the MapleLegends changes. HH is on a 10 second cool down. Thats 199k damage to every arm every 10 seconds. Without factoring in blast attacks, you by default get a 9.6m dpm (199k*8 arms*6 casts per minute) at Zakum arms. Once you move onto the main body, you will use blast (a single target attack) opposed to DK's cleave attack. In Zak main body Pally's are far superior in that regard.

With just my mediocre gear on apple i do hit 100k and I use a ST. If you have a well scrolled skull and better gear (I refer to Yolock, who was #2 Pally before he deleted his character), you can hit 100k+ without apple. Crushed skull has the highest base weapon attack in the game. They hit fucking hard compared to any other weapon.

As for 180k v 100k... I have two words for you... "attack speed." DKs have slow speed weapons. In a minute Pallys do 20 more attacks than DKs, which mean in a DPM comparison Pally's just output more damage onto single target. That's the nature of the class. Here's the math in case you're interested:

Spoiler: DRK v Pally Math

Ski ski weapon speed (with booster) = 930ms
Getting around 64.5 crushers per minute

Dragon faltz weapon speed (with booster) = 990ms
Getting around 60.60 crushers per minute

Stonetooth/RK weapon speed (with booster) = 690ms
Getting arouond 86.95 blasts per minute

Crushed skull weapon speed (with booster) = 750ms
Getting around 80 blasts per minute

I'm not gna argue that Pallys are better than heroes. As I mentioned earlier, in terms of pure DPM heroes just scale way better with weapon attack and gear. But that doesn't mean Pally's are down right garbage or worse than DKs for damage. Just because we don't have the elemental advantage doesn't mean we're by default shittier. On the contrary. On Legends Pallys have gotten so many buffs that we're viable. Our blast damage to 600% and flame charge to 175% actually makes us a good damage dealing class.

Specifically with regards to Zak, Heroes and DKs do not white us at Zak arms. I've whited 5 out 8 arms before and I'm not even geared that well or super high level. That's with other warriors and NLs on the run. We have massive psuedo-cleave. We don't scale well to the late late late game, but we have a great mid-game till around 16x. As for HT, yes we're not the best there I can't deny that. But with HH again, you can easily output damage onto all parts. I get 10m+ DPM at HT without apples, just due to Heaven's Hammer.

As for your arguments about damage and what not. I once again direct you to... you guessed it... math.

Edit: This is for single target DPM with perfect gear (stats listed below)

 

Conclusion

Paladin's are a viable class, that is down right fun and enjoyable. Are we the best? No. But are we useless? Hell no. Look at the chart above, we can actually perform better than Heroes if you use a crushed skull. Of course there are many reasons why you would chose not to use one (check my Hybrid Paladin Guide), but we're not some shitty class that no one should even consider. We have tons of skills, and I've had a great 166 levels of playing this class. I've had no issues with being recruited and going on boss runs (Zakum, Scar, HT, etc).

BUT do I recommend it? If you're looking for just fun factor, yes! But it is a trap. Heaven's Hammer is a blessing and curse. 199k damage that doesn't scale with anything. We are damage capped. If you're aiming to get to Lvl 200, Heroes are prbly the way to go. If you want party play, DKs are the way to go.

Do not however, put Pallys aside for the reasons outlined by people before me, since they clearly don't know how the class works to the fullest extent. I've done tons of math for this (for the sake of my own curiosity) and looked at it from a balance perspective as well. The assumptions about SE, 60k lines, HH being a 1 minute cooldown, these people aren't knowledgable about the class and are just shit talking on baseless grounds.

 

Those skill changes were around long before I even joined Legends, let alone staff.

I don’t understand why you’re so salty? Ya classes are bugged on the server so everything is viable rather than ppl only making NLs. Corsairs, shadowers, heroes, all got minor tweaks to make em playable and less restricting.

 

I'll address your concerns in parts too and with spoilers just so it's easier to navigate ^^

1. My Charts

Spoiler: Section 1

Sorry if the chart is confusing, I had just taken a small portion of it. Here's the full image (forgot to include the important part in that screenshot my bad)



As for the in-depth formulas and how I calculated the slash/stab ratio, I've included it, and you can see it more thoroughly in a forum post I made way back (it's also in my signature). https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/warrior-damage-calculator.19982/#post-150898 the numbers get pretty gritty but I'm fairly confident I've accounted for most things.

2. Value of Paladins

Spoiler: Section 2

I mean don't get me wrong, I don't think Paladins are the best class. Far from that, I personally tell everyone that a Paladin is a trap. If you are a serious player that wants to get to 17x and higher, unless Kimmy gets around to implementing the 1h bw changes so our horizontal range actually works properly (aka being a t-rex at HT), Paladin is not the class. But I think our value comes from the fact that we do not scale well. Even with absolutely shitty gear, our damage is pretty much guaranteed. It's an easy class to start off as.

• Washing isn't too hard because of the extra mana gain (compared to hero) & lower min mp (compared to DK)
• Ele advantage makes us gods at area bosses aka genociding Bigfoots (faster access to HT)
• HH max gets us fast grinding (faster access to HT)
• HH max gives us a stable DPM despite gear (oh and it goes through Weapon Cancel)

If you are a casual player that's not going to be perfecting your gear and is your starting class, Paladins are the easiest access class. An unwashed DK = useless. A gearless Hero = useless. A gearless Paladin = moderately useful. Games like maple are all about min/maxing, and we're not the best to maximize, but we sure are the best class in terms of minimum effort + minimum investment.

And with the faster lvling, ppl are more eager to take a 16x Paladin than a 14x Hero to Zakum or HT. We have faster access to the late game, but that's with the con of us falling off super hard once we get to late late game. (I think that makes sense...)

3. Zakum

Spoiler: Section 3A

We white based on the fact that we hit arms that they aren't hitting, aka on the right side before the ranged attackers even get to it. And assuming Brandish is hitting for around 20k per line thats a total of 40k for 3 arms. But stance is a lie, so that DPM isn't perfectly maintained the whole time cus you fall off platforms. While as, even if you fall off you can HH and reach everything. You have consistent 199k damage every 10 seconds, on top of the Blast damage. It's an issue of theory v practice. Also a DK will never white in a warrior race, cus they'd be bounced around the map for HB (again another issue of theory v practice). Meanwhile, you just ignore everything and do your own thing of blast + HH. Hero would too, but you do have to build up your ACA (ofc this is just in the beginning), but every attack matters when you're racing to white

Spoiler: Section 3B

Oh ya and mentioned before, HH going through all the weapon cancels, and as everyone complains Zak just has way too many weapon cancels. So that's more damage you're out putting while DKs & Hero's can't.

Well the not knowing the limits was more geared towards Dvah, who didn't even bother reading the Legends skill changes and quoting damage figures from a post v62 of maple LULZ. I haven't played a Paladin on any other server, but when it comes to ML, I can fairly confidently say that I've invested a lot of time into it and have extensively tested out the practical & theoretical limits of Paladins (I'm just that type of player ). I know everyone shits on Pallies cus of how they used to be in OG maple and other private servers, but once you feel a 10 second cool down HH. You'll understand just how amazing it feels & also how amazingly viable it is. As a grinder and as a bosser ^^[/quote][/quote]

 

2010 :thinking: that's not v62 is it? We don't deny that you're friend has those gears, its just that you're trying to compare an 1st generation iPhone with like iPhone X. They came out during different times... thonk

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/maplelegends-features.2027/

Other classes including DK & Hero have gotten buffed too. Pally is not a supporting class LOL what skill of their's is supporting? Magic crash? Skill didn't work in v62. And at the end of the day a Pally doesn't lose to a drk or a hero: