Why HP washing sucks & suggestions

The thing this thread taught me was that people will clown you on discord and in game behind your back.

Why are people dogging on op so hard on discord and in game?

 

That's so sad and really immature in my opinion.
Forums are a place of discussion and different opinions, there's absolutely no reason to be that childish.

 

what the mushroom is wrong with those people is like they don't have nothing better to do.

 

tell me who is dogging them on discord so i can dog that guy on discord and then get dogged by someone else for dogging that guy on discord

 

hond

 

I would love to see receipts for this

 

Gurk gets called a terrorist every day.

 

My response in another thread on this topic:

To put it clearly:

There is no reason to gatekeep 30K behind an arduous and convoluted process that makes players think, "oh shit, I have to remake and leech through the game as an intcow this time?". It's even worse that purists jumpscare new or returning players with this concept during their initial playthrough, demotivating them and leading them to eventually quit entirely. I have played this server for over 10 years and have never partaken in this ridiculous and audacious concept.

The current washing system is completely nonsensical. To combat the negative experience I wrote of above, I suggested:

- HP Token: A cash item that would allow a player to receive 5 washed AP's worth of HP for your class.
- This item would cost the same amount of NX as 5 AP resets.
- Thanks to the matching price, players who have put in the time and effort to vote for the past few years would remain rewarded; as nobody will be getting to 30K any sooner than they did. The same as you are not allowed to wash, you are not allowed to use this token after participating in HPC.
- The only difference is that this gets rid of the "oh fuck, I have to remake", and the "oh fuck, I have to leech the whole way this time" jumpscares.
- Game quality increases for anybody who plays PQs, since they don't have to deal with intcow leeches.
- Player retention increases due to the remake-and-leech wall being removed, and server population increases.

Both sides win in this scenario. Do you think that this is a bad, or incomplete solution? I am curious to hear your thoughts.

 

if you voted for like 15% the time you claim to be here you’d have 30k chars

 

you guys are too obsessed with 30k characters

 

An excellent observation.

I appreciate your engagement with the idea. I disagree with this take though, as players would chase the reduced price, meaning the removal of intcows wouldn't be as guaranteed.

It's interesting to discuss the design and potential solutions surrounding such a long-standing blight, as a remedy to this issue that doesn't discredit the work of prior washers would likely increase the playerbase as a whole over time, and make the game more enjoyable for many players to come.

 

This would devalue int equipment and leech services to name a few. It would also further decrease the point of HPC, since an easier way to get HP while being able to play kind of defeats it's purpose.

While, yes, your suggestions is a huge QoL improvement, it still needs to be balanced out for the economy and the HPC.

 

int gears are like 3rd order in wash

 

level has nothing to do with whether one is casual or not. i have multiple 200s and i only play this game casually. 1-175 can easily take between 1 month (mage) or ~2 months (leeched).


the downside is goalposts will move and we will have a new thread that instead asks for a road to 30k mp

 

nothing that can't be solved by 5000x rate rebirth

 

adding information: if you were playing the game, you would see that having 30k is not all that, and you would take advantage of the events, nx drop speeding up the process, mooo

 

leech - honestly I don't think leech would take a huge hit, as players will likely continue to find use in it purely for convenience. this is anecdotal, though, since I don't know the percentage of players who leech completely for the sake of leeching as opposed to the percentage that leeches for the sake of convenience

washing gear - an almost unavoidable plummet in the value of intgear is an impact worth a little thought. unless there's a 'best of both worlds' solution that hasn't been thought of yet, it probably comes down to a matter of weighing the scales between (obsolescence of intlording, increased player retention VS. reduced cost of washing gear). from my own, biased perspective, i'd definitely choose the QoL over having washing gear retain high prices, though I can understand why players wouldn't want their exhaustively created perfect washing gear to suddenly lose a chunk of its value.

hpc - I felt that HPC would retain usefulness as a way to viably access the endgame without having to wait 2 years, pretty much giving you something to do as you cultivate a longer-term character. HPC currently serves pretty much the same purpose currently, so I don't think much changes on this front

pretty good points that i didn't consider before, honestly probably more to be said on the topic regarding the economic impact of an intgear price drop... would be interested to hear more educated thoughts on the matter