Why HP washing sucks & suggestions

You'd be surprised how little HP affects your power level for the most part, besides mages.

Commiting or being forced to remake is not a washing/character specific thing. You'll see it frequently throughout the game with anything untradeable, including helmets, necklaces, and most notably, reverse/timeless gear.

 

The only thing challenge system needs is a level 180+ repeatable quest to continue earning more HP. It'll appease all parties. The only group who might be against it are purists who care more about how others play when they can just abstain themselves.

 

I would imagine there would still be a group of washing-abolitionists who are still opposed to this because there's no option to increase MP pool as well.

 

We all need to learn with being happy with what we've got. If you want to make some 30k/30k character, you can plan and invest to do that but I think there's a lesson here about happiness and hard work.

 

Maybe you can make that an option. I don't see why not.

 

Ok how about this since you've decided to make the 1000th thread on this I will quote myself because you have added nothing new to the HP washing conversation beyond "do this because I want it."

The exact same washing thread that went up not even 30 days ago woww!

Leo and others are also right that if you vote for a full year and also play the events, you're probably fully washed out and even have some base hp--it was true for my attackers as well. Events are worth something like 250 APR a year, and with the 700 from a year of voting you're easily in the range to have fully washed out and probably done 300 or so washes. That's if you can afford the leech and/or grinded through fully inted, which people have done.​

At the end of the day it's a videogame (and a Korean mmo at that) and lots of videogames have unpleasant systems that force you to jump through hoops. From my perspective HP challenge is very much a "let you have fun now" system, which it accomplishes in spades. On HP challenges most of the content in the game is fully playable without HB. All of NT is fully playable. ChrisBS even runs auf on a 12k HP bowmaster. PB statues--tough but survivable. Horntail you can survive an empowered wing slap. Most things you need HB for are skill issue deaths e.g. clawed by Nameless.​

The absolute list of things a ranged dps need HB for: PB body and toad​

The absolute list of things a bucc, shad, or warrior need HB for:​

So then really the burden for the HPC players is this: tell us why you need more health? This needs to be an argument other than "I want it." I want 28 attack facestompers, but that doesn't mean I need it or deserve it.​

 

The reason people keep bringing this up is because of the way washing works. The planning aspect of it is most of the actual work that goes into the character, which would be removed if you could just max out your HP at any point. There's no "work" in it at that point, you're just paying some sort of currency tax.

And while I don't want to speak for everyone, the planning and payoff aspect of washing is genuinely rewarding.

 

i hit 30k/30k in like a week on a rebirth server (2-hour days). it's pretty fun!



the reason why this server isn't dead 9 years ago is because of the pacing. i'd learn to embrace it or take a tour on one of the highrate servers (if they still exist). big number = good right

 

I unironically think the level 200 excess exp is a pretty interesting way to implement it, it’s one that really makes it clear that extra HP is not needed but you can slowly work it up over time playing even after you reach 200, and I think goes quite a way into making existing washed characters feel like they’re still rewarding to do.

 

To be clear I don’t think this should be a practical way to reach 30k hp whatsoever. Idk maybe like take the average exp taken for 1 level from 190-200, and with that amount you can exchange it for one level of HP your class gets from natively leveling up.

 

Because not everyone is starting out with enough NX to fully wash a character to 30k from scratch. Most of us have to budget our NX and calculate what we’re capable of reaching and when. Choosing what INT to go to, what levels to MP wash, when to wash out, what rate we gain NX and APR, when to stop stale washing. All of that is custom for most players, and every character washed is done so in a unique way entirely differently than everyone else. That aspect is lost entirely if you can just pay NX whenever you want to get HP.

As others have mentioned, all of this is stuff you will learn along the way, and you don’t know what you don’t know. Washing is one step of what many players see as a journey. While its existence is controversial, there are many players who have enjoyed going through this process.

 

Since you keep bringing up your points in your first post, I will answer them accordingly.

Wrong, you are already given an answer. You are not forced to leech your character, journals proved that. Reason why Leo says that his progress is not suitable for new players is because he is intentionally limiting himself for the journal. Any new players will have significantly easier time if they just play the efficient way, that is to make a bishop for leech since bishops are already needed everywhere, so might as well do it. It is killing 2 birds with 1 stone.

I don't know what world you live in, but the one I am currently in most people does that. For every single forum in every single game, there are questions like "What is the best dps class?", "What class is the best support?", "What is the strongest class?", "How to progress efficiently?", "Best way to level up?". Literally the type of questions from every newbie for every game. Vets of the respective games are so sick of it, they thought up a single universal template answer for them "Just play however you like, whatever you want". So saying no one (who does that?) reads and asks a bunch of stuffs to help them is just disingenuous.

This is not the SNES era. The current era we are living in have tons of material online to help you. If you are not reading any of those, you are the one who decided that, to play hypercasually and enjoy the game for what it is.

Wrong. This just shows how much you don't understand about washing. Rolling less than 10 int is so inconsequential and so insignificant that you don't even have to factor it into your calculations for washing. Also, it can be easily fixed by using APR.

You kept saying players have to interact with washing from level 0 when they are beginners. No, they don't have to. There are already HP challenges in play that allows you to clear every single content. You are creating false scenarios to justify your reasoning, that somehow a new player who wants to min-max a sweat build, but somehow did not read any kind of guides online on how to reach the min-max stats. And the new person, even when given a solution, somehow thinks the solution is too sweaty to remake a level 40 character that he is planning to invest thousands of hours into?

Since you are hellbent on not remaking your character, there are two ways you can proceed. You set the benchmark at level 40, I will answer accordingly.

You can start adding int from now on at level 40, and reach the int goal you want. I suggest you plan your own goals so you can reach them more efficiently (read ItzLea journal on how to proceed) or follow Krythan's guide where you have to add 40 levels to everything. You can still reach your goal of 30k hp.

Second way is to wait for your nx to build up, use APR to reset all your main stats to your int, and then follow Krythan's guide.

You can even go a hybrid method of both to achieve balance between washing and damage, buy the occasional leech when things get tough and slowly reach the goal you want.

Those ways are incredibly inefficient to the point where it just made the most sense to remake your character since it is so easy, that is why vets often recommend you this way because any other way is almost like griefing you. But hey, they seem to suit you more, since you don't want to remake your character and willingly endure a long, gruelling process to reach 30k hp right?

So you are a casual player who wants to play casually and also reach a min-max sweaty build. You don't even know whether you can reach the level where it will affect you, how it will affect you and your main argument is that it is because of FOMO. It's like someone worrying about pink bean when he haven't even touch zakum.

 

Practical answer: I think it would be better for your mental health to play another server where you will not have 30k fomo.

It sounds like you really understand the 30k hp is not really needed anywhere, but the prospect of never getting there on your first/second char is haunting you (even if you maybe will never even play for a year!)

i felt the same way when I started playing, and luckily my first character was easy to “fix” to 30k (warrior).

btw the fomo never stops, i now have a 23k char and a 30k potential ranged character, and i have fomo about making a 30k hp and 30k mp character.

 

Shoutout to OP for keeping it respectful after getting pooped on by virtually everyone in the thread :^)

On-topic, fully agree with ovv that the only viable suggestion here seems like a way for 180+ HPC chars to slowly increase their hp pool beyond the current limits.