Why HP washing sucks & suggestions

Perhaps we have big difference on opinion about defining 'fair'.
I wish to ask to newcomers that, when you want to suggest something really shakes fundamental of game stayed for years, at least, you should have enough understanding about what you're trying to change.

 

lol

 

Historical features of HP washing in ML and how it impacted on each players life for years, pre-HPC and after-HPC, and how ppls approached on that issue, not only from players, but also from staffs. I'm not talking about formulas and numbers. 10 minutes of reading any guide can give you feeling of understanding HP washing (even though your first few posts showed you're lacking understanding about this aswell), but there's reason why not everyone washed to 30k all their chars, including myself, and why HPC gives you only 12k, not 30k.

FOMO is real. Character seems unplayable if you don't max everythings. I wonder what if we don't have 30k cap itself so it can go unlimited as how you plan your path. Would you target #1 washing freak and ask same potential with him?

Trust me. there were hundreds of newcomers brought same logic with you thinking 'it's great suggestion!' and this topic is discussed hundreds of times already, some of us are really tired from witnessing this over and over, when it doesn't even seem polished with enough understanding.


edit/added
To be brutal, substracting all the long wall of texts, it can be summarized into - I am new to play chess, I am casual, but I want to have 50-50 winning chances against grand masters who played chess for their life because that's what I think it's fair, rather than asking me to learn how to play chess following its rules, just swap all my pieces into queens. Other players can't agree with you when you just ignore all the rules in game and ask privileges. That's how I've seen former hundreds of newcomers suggested similar with this, and see you now, unfortunately.

If you keep questioning quoting everyone back to back for what you should knew already when you're suggesting 'shaking fundamental of game backbone', instead of persuading bringing what others can agree on you actually, and eventually it rolls back into 'but it sucks for me and I don't want to do it but still want result of it, huh?' over and over, how can you expect others agree on you.

'Ah, at last, it again'.

 

I like the idea of the token, you are just automating the washing process, and I dont see any problem with that as long as it doesnt remove the MP requirement.
Reaching level 70 or 80 and realizing you did your washing inefficiently or incorrectly due to lack of information is really discouraging. I have lost count of how many times I have reset my character because of bad washing.

Washing guides are extremely hard to understand for anyone not familiar with the mechanic, and most of them are just copy paste from old guides, is super confusing.

It took me two years to build my attacker with 23k HP, and I honestly would not mind at all if they completely removed this. Its ridiculous, tedious, and only those who have already suffered through it defend it because they want others to suffer the same way.
Many newcomers just give up the game because of that, its an bs mechanic.

 

but you don't need all that hp to play the game, even though it takes time to gather nx and finish the wash, you can play it with much, much less

 

I think most people, especially new player, don't understand the concept of challenges. Clearly, the idea isn't to give max HP to everyone . The idea is that you can do all the content in game.
that is not optimized to the point of making the game more AFK and less multiattacker.

If you look at the server history, it could even be in the DPM post, it could be in the print post
You see that not everyone has 30k and before that you see that people made content with less HP than the challenge give

 

after the challenges were released there is no longer this whoever wants to pull the minimum/maximum will have to put in more effort than most

 

Disclaimer: I don’t think washing is a good mechanic and it’s why I personally have chosen to not engage with it.

I don’t own *any* highly washed characters. My Corsair was my first, and is still my strongest, character on the server. I managed to wash an additional ~1000 hp onto it using INT gear alone by level 120 (without insane funding). Once challenges came out I personally saw no benefit from the first 2 tiers of the challenges and received a small boost from the third tier. While it sucks that I didn’t benefit from the challenges as much as I should have, having significantly more HP than my character would at the same level (while being able to play it) is amazing.


I understand the frustration of “if I haven’t washed my character from the very beginning all the way until a high level it will never have max HP”, but that’s the point. No class, except warriors, were ever supposed to get anywhere near max hp. The way most characters gain their hp/mp, especially if trying to hit 30k, is specifically using the *fresh* points upon level up. It may seem unfair to play a character for hundreds or thousands of hours and to learn you’ve locked yourself out of potentially massive amounts of hp; but the challenges are a fantastic alternative. They provide more than enough hp, which you wouldn’t have had otherwise, while still letting your character be fully playable from start to finish. I know Mirrors already mentioned it, but before challenges came out some content literally was unavailable if you didn’t wash hard enough. Every single Bucc player I was friends with had to reallocate hard into INT to try and squeeze out some extra HP as they got closer to HT levels.


I’ve read a bunch of bad analogies in this thread so let me add my own. HP washing to insane amounts of hp is a very specific character build that requires knowledge/build up from level 1 onward. It’s a power gamer play to min max to the highest degree. Instead of comparing it to other MMO mechanics why not compare it to other RPG mechanics? A DnD power gamer will undergo extensive research in order to find the best multi class/strongest build for a certain class type. While your friends at the table are getting stronger and stronger abilities as they level, you need to take the dip into the low levels of other classes and you seem weak until you hit every piece you need. A player can’t suddenly respec once they hit the required level to complete the build. It isn’t how the game works. Your character is a building and the build you choose to play requires the foundation to be laid early on in its life in order to stand. Frankly, if you’re a person stumbling into the game for nostalgia reasons, I don’t think HP washing is something you should concern yourself with. In fact, overwhelming new players with HP wash nonsense causes them to stress out, gimp their character, and quit the game out of frustration because they’ve been told “this is the only way you can play the game correctly”. The ironic part? The vast majority of them would have never needed to worry about hpwash anyways. If you’re a power gamer who wants to do everything that you can with the game, you’ve likely already looked up guides for the class and at least have some understanding of what HP washing is. As a player, you can then take that knowledge and decide if you want to engage with that mechanic. I fully believe that in the current state of MapleLegends it’s impossible to be shocked that you can’t get max HP on every character.

 

Maybe you dont care as much as i do, or others do, but the moment a new player realizes that their character will never be 100% optimized compared to other characters with more HP, they will become quite discouraged to keep playing.
It doesnt matter whether HP is actually necessary in the endgame or not, just the fact that it is a nerf compared to those who did the wash is enough to make them lose motivation.
The moment someone mentions washing and they realize they made a mistake by not doing it, they stop playing.
That happen to me, and will keep happening unfortunately if we dont change that.

 

but the point I wanted to tell you wasn't about that, you talked about it taking time to finish your wash, which you're not wrong in saying because it does take time, but my point here Just like I mentioned the other times, I started finding myself in March and I already have 8.2k hp at this moment I say

and for now I don't need more HP than that I'm level 152 there are no dangerous enough animals that I would need more HP at that level so no matter how long it takes your character is not unplayable

For sciences purposes
Yes, I care a lot more than I should, that's why everyone thought I made them with the potential to have max HP and some with a lot of MP too, just like I said choices.

 

ye but like i said, it doesnt matter if the character is playable or unplayable, viable or not, that wasnt my point. Its the fact that you are at a disadvantage compared to others who washed. That alone is reason enough for someone not to want to play on this server/

 

I currently have a 140 bishop with 2.8K HP (after lvl 5 card ring and eph ring).
The HP ups you gain from HPC are laughable, at a mere 50 per tier. I do understand mages get more MP, though it would be great to not have to do any washing to get a little extra HP to not get 1 hit at Skelies (without MG). This would also make mages a safer at HT.
Perhaps all that's needed, is to increase the HPC rewards a bit, or as suggested before, provide an alternative method of gaining HP after HPC besides redoing your character/washing.

The arguments I see against this are mainly, you don't need to, you can still play the game, and yes that's true, but having more HP is a luxury alot of players (would) enjoy and having it locked by a single very tedious mechanic is not very player friendly.

The goal is not to replace washing or make HPC that much better, just to level the playing field a bit.
What's wrong with having a weekly challenge you can do to gain an extra 50HP/MP (or different depending on class idk?) For a year that's only 2600 extra HP/MP. Not extremely overpowered and would not make washing obsolete. If you have waited a full year to save up NX for washing you can still do that and be done right away. Or you can slowly keep playing a main and grind out a bit of extra stats weekly. If you are concerned about the NX difference, make the weekly reward cost X amount of NX.

 

My English may not be the best, but I think there was a lack of text interpretation because I'm telling you about the characters that are still playable during the wash process.
Regarding the information about players who do not play, I have a very large sample to prove that if there are n factors and wash is one of the most irrelevant of them

 

In my opinion, there are characters like warrior mage and buccaneers
that benefited from an easier wash, so to speak, and that perhaps it is not worth making challenge