Why HP washing sucks & suggestions

Just the thought of every character on the server having 30k hp makes me want to puke

Part of the reason I loved this server so much is because it felt like old school GMS 2.0 and not really a private server if that makes any sense. If everyone had max stats characters lose their uniqueness/personality imo. Even my own washed characters aren't truly 30k. This also may cause having to balance classes around having more hp and making them worse etc. Not to mention completely invalidating HB/DKs

 

I don't understand the difficulty of thinking that end game is end game, if there isn't a minimum of elitism there's no point in being end game

 

Fun is subjective, I find the process of planning and washing a character quite fun..

As for an acceptable solution, the HPC is the solution in my opinion. You get to have a ready to play character right off the bat when joining. So you get to play while simultaneously accumulating NX on alternate accounts for future projects? Im just confused as why you feel that you absolutely need 30k on challenged characters? If you are here for a short time, challenges should be plenty to satisfy your needs. If you plan on being here for a long time, accumulating NX for a 30k character in the future shouldnt be a problem?

 

plus mp wash exist, can keep base int lower and play the char all way from 0

 

I had an idea a long time ago about this topic which was somewhat in the same spirit, even though it was not the exactly same, which you can find here: https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/an-alternative-way-to-hp-mp-wash.45442/

Unfortunately it seems it was probably too complicated and outlandish to implement, and it was not well received. So far it seems like any other ideas that try to fix the issues of HP and MP washing, aside from just making hp challenges give you 30k HP and MP at max, just seem too complicated or uninteresting for the community.

If you try to make it fair for the people that HP/MP washed the hard way for many years, you'll never really fix HP/MP washing for the server in the long run imo. Having both the regular HP/MP washing and the challenge systems at the same time just makes it weird and unsatisfying if you ask me, because as you said everyone wants to mix/max their character. People don't want to limit their characters' potential.

 

Yes but you are not doing dks any more favors by adding another way to just not need hb (you know the one thing they have that no other class in the game has that makes them usefull)

 

How does having both system at the same time make it weird and unsatisfying?? I'm not sure I understand this logic, when there was no challenges people were complaining. Now there is challenges, people are complaining?

People dont want to limit their characters potential, then do the challenges? By the time you would be ready for a 30k project, you would most likely be able to afford leech or have a characters of your own to leech said project.

 

We do not need another system that facilitates/encourages it.

 

I think people should read the top luk 60% theory from DrChuchu

 

In all honesty, I feel like the people stressing the most about needing 30k challenged characters to be able to play the game are probably the ones that wont even make it to stages of the game where it would matter anyways... Maybe im wrong but, i've seen it happen way too often through my 4 years on this server.

 

Who said anything about restarting the char, whats stopping you from having more than 1 character? Very few people will stay here long term and only have 1 character anyways.
By starting a 30k project, you dont have to quit/abandon your HPC character. If you do get to end game, you will know that having more than one character be able to pink bean might even be in your advantage.

 

I personally have millions and millions of NX on multiple accounts. I can wash multiple characters if I wanted to. The thing is that this took years and years to accomplish, and during those many years you don't even play those characters, because you have to wait to amass that NX for MP washing while leveling. It's boring. It's a terrible system. It is not satisfying because you either postpone your fun playing the character you want to play just to play it much later in the future, or you settle for the HP challenges which are just "good enough". Most people quit before they even reach that point because of this, burning themselves out.

Making people wait for years and years to play their characters at their highest potential by making them vote on a website every day, and then often having them level through leeching is just awful design. You spend the whole time building your character by not even playing it. People should be able to reach the maximum potential by simply playing their characters and playing the game, even if it takes years to do. At least the character grows stronger by gameplay, and not by clicking CAPTCHA images every single day for years on end, or sitting afk while someone plays the game for you.

You could argue that no one forces me or anyone to HP/MP wash the regular way, and that I should be content with the HP I get from the challenges, but again like I and many others have said, most people who play MMOs hate FOMO, they hate being behind others, they hate not being able to reach the strongest version their character can achieve, and that is perfectly normal.

So now people are confronted with two options: Either torture yourself through voting and play the game in a boring way for many years until you can actually play the characters you wanted to play, or settle for the mediocre, inferior choice through challenges. Both don't feel great and both miss the mark.

 

but you don't have to wait years to play your character,Let's imagine a conventional wash, after you finish the mp wash and remove part of the base int, your character is playable

 

For one character, even if you don't wash too much and keep it reasonable, it is still many months of voting. You still need to leech EXP for a while, by either leeching yourself or paying someone to do it for you. It's doable, but that doesn't mean it's fun or a good system. If you want to wash many characters, you have to make multiple accounts, vote multiple times a day. Even if it takes just a few minutes, it is still a clunky system.

This is exactly why they incorporated the HP Challenges system, because deep down everyone knows regular HP/MP washing is just not good game design, and it is not attracting many new players. We've been doing it for years simply because we didn't have any other options. It was an awful system in 2005~2010, and it still is one today.

It's ok if you like the regular system, but the majority of the maple private server community hate it. The HP challenges is a great idea and it rewards you for playing the game, and it can be implemented in a way that it takes roughly the same amount of time as regular HP/MP washing by achieving the same results. But the fact it is being held back by regular HP/MP washing, because it would be unfair, just ruins its impact it could have had on the server's growth and opportunities.

 

This is exactly why I don't really buy the arguments against HPC eventually reaching 30k.

It's completely fair if you like the washing system, as much as I think it's incredibly lame and bad game design. Fun and enjoyment will always be subjective, and if anything, more power to you for finding something to enjoy about washing. But what is with this weird insistence on future players and even future characters from existing players needing to follow your sense of fun and fulfillment? A decent amount of the ML community may enjoy the mechanic, but outside most find the mechanic bad or straight-up absurd.

Also, the game is already being balanced around 30k (Shadow Shifter and avoid scaling send their regards), and with Krythan's washing guides out there now making the process much easier to understand for the average player, there's just going to be more and more 30k hp characters as time goes on anyhow. Is letting HPC characters eventually reach 30k through a similarly lengthy or even outright slower process really going to change much? Keep in mind also that the challenge system is technically imcomplete currently, as there is still questlines to design for the remaining tiers, which will likely add quite a bit of game time in itself AND could potentially be a legitimate boon for choosing the washing path still. Additionally, in this theoretical scenario, you wouldn't even be able to start building HP until you reach lv 180 AND have completed the final HPC tier.

 

https://forum.maplelegends.com/index.php?threads/upcoming-marksman-updates-and-plans.59690/

I'll save you some time and have you post on this thread too while you complain about character potential. Should have taken a word from the wise and found yourself a server better suited to your taste.