Some insight into "old players" for the new generation

You gave basically no legit reason. Anyways:

Most decent people would just appreciate the bar doing well and go to another bar they might like.

 

Few things,

• You seem to generalize "old players" as a group but it's more or less a certain clique than all the old players.
• I don't understand how "negativity" and such behavior benefits anything, especially since you wanted the server to succeed.
• Change is innevitable, and not all players may agree og and new. Why must the voices of og players outweigh the ones of the other players? Change is impossible to cater everyones needs, the latter need to just embrace it and suck it up.
• I've had the opportunity to see the comments from both sides of the spectrum. It wasn't like the staff just bury the comments and concerns of the og players, because i do admit at times the discussions are very insightful. It's when the majority of the comments are arrogant, irrelevant and spammed that the comments of og players lose value.

 

The Old Crowd you speak of, sounds to be like a bunch of elitists.

 

As a new player, I've loved every minute that I've spent playing legends. I can see how often Kim logs in the check on everything, it's very visible how much she cares about this server. I understand where you're coming from, but it's important to note that the staff will always try to please the largest amount of people. Things will change over time, but those changes aren't for bad reasons.

I can't speak for what legends was like before or how the old players feel now, I just know this server has an incredible community. I know the decisions being made are done to overall benefit as many people as possible. As a player, I couldn't ask for a better place to enjoy maplestory.

 

I never belonged to the old school elite or whatever it's called, but I've been around on and off since 2015 and I'd like to express my opinion on this.

The server has certainly changed a lot over the years for better or worse. Personally I'm a big fan of new updates and would hate a stale 0.62 no new content style of server. One of the nostalgic feelings I have for Maplestory was the excitement of a new patch coming out the next day, thinking about how it will change things. And to be honest I think most people feel like this, and I doubt the server would be as popular as it is right now without any new content ever being added.

I don't like it when new content completely overpowers the old content, making it irrelevant and a dead place. Ulu city and ToT are certainly good training spots, don't get me wrong, but has it completely disregarded skeles as a amazing grind spot? Not by a long shot, and it's still regarded as the best or at least a top 2 training spot for the most played class in the game. So did the new content release really make the game that much easier? Well, maybe for certain arch mages. But to be honest they have it rough enough as it is being completely outclassed by their holy brothers from Ellinia in almost every aspect, let them have some fun.

So let's talk about the things that actually made the game easier.

Player population

More players means more resources, more bishops that are selling leech and more effective partying for daily boss runs. It also means that there are more people buying vote gachapon and getting hunting gachapon tickets that create more items from the legendary tier, which has been nerfed recently, but with the many legendary items being put in the game with this system in 2017 I feel like it should be mentioned.

Time

Back in 2015 there was no previous generation that created godly items to borrow, buy or be gifted from. Everything had to be created from scratch, and with not that many people around, scrolls that are gachapon locked were quite rare and expensive. Also certain equipment and skill books that came from high level bosses were not around or barely around for a long time, such as mw20 and gen 30 for example. This certainly made things a lot harder. But with time passing it is to be expected that these items become more available. Players that went through the times when they weren't had the opportunity to sell these items while there were barely any or none at all on the market, making them huge profits in return.
In summary, time itself changes things, especially if more players join the server. It's only natural certain items, equipment and skillbooks are easier to get now, and it's not because of bad content release.

Onyx apples

If you wanna talk about a release that did make the game a bit easier, it's gotta be onyx apples. It speeds up bossing for sure. I think it's fair to question the release of this massive power boosting item. However, it is rough to estimate by how much this made the game easier. 40 more weapon attack then the previously used heartstoppers is certainly important but would other guilds really fail to do horntail without that 40 extra weapon attack? In my opinion, while it still makes a difference in all runs, I don't think it would stop most squads from killing it.

AP resets

Imagine a royal world in which every ranged class jumps around with 15k+ hp clean. That would be fun right? No

Let's face it, HP washing sucks. It's a shit system. Sadly, it has to be either very hard or very time consuming to do so. Why you ask?

Is it just because all the old players whine about the fact that they went through the time and hassle to do it? These selfish basterds!

Plot twist!
This is not the actual reason why they want it to stay this time consuming to do it. People will not wash faster if AP resets become cheaper or easier to get in general, no, instead they will wash a lot more. This means most people will end up with more HP, which makes the game so much easier. Maplestory is already a game that is pretty easy to play, most things are just very time consuming. What you don't want to do is make it even easier then it already is. We might as well make everyone immortal at that point.

But yeah, the events that have taken place made AP resets in general easier to obtain I guess, which is why I mention it in this list. I think the staff has made the right steps towards a 'balanced' type of AP reset event, because in general they have been very hard to obtain or in a limited supply kind of way.

Sadly however, HP wash will never have a good type of 'balance' no matter what you do.

Final thoughts

In summary, the game has become a bit easier. But most of it is not because the staff team decided to make it that way. Player population and time are mostly out of their control.
This does not mean the staff hasn't made mistakes along the 3 year journey.
I'm not going to bother naming specific cases, as most are very opinion based and if I have a strong opinion about something, I'll always express that in the forum topic that discusses it. But it is to be expected I guess. ML is not a big company with a paid team behind them. They have no obligation to anyone to be perfect, everything is free for everyone.
I'm going to continue to criticize things I disagree with and cheer for the things I agree with in terms of releases or anything regarding to the server, and so should you all. But spamming around creating no reasonable discussion or making points that have been discussed over and over again are not going to get anyone anywhere.

At least that's my opinion.

 

As an "OG" that hasn't been around all the time since the beginning, i missed quite a lot of drama between the staff and OG players; a few cases which were handled extremely poorly by the staff at the time was what started this tension between OGs and staff arised in the first place. The poor decision making by staff has time and time again somehow screwed over OG players in 1 way or another, and although the intention was most likely for the better interest of the server, lack of consideration to the "victimized" players has been clear.

However, i do feel the OG players have a sense of self entitlement (myself included as much as i don't like to admit it), where we at least expect not to be continuously screwed over by decisions that are catered for players that joined 1 week ago or expect the staff to somehow maintain the server how we want it.....and i'm not attempting to sound sarcastic but sometimes we just got to deal with the shit that's been handed out and just move on. The staff are not paid workers, hired to run this server; it is ultimately just a fan service that MANY players have taken for granted. Demanding this and that and berating the staff whenever they make a dumb decision won't change the fact that the staff are not paid workers required to do any of the shit that is demanded or expected.

^ If disagreeable decisions are made time and time again and the staff feel 0 obligation to consider then it's literally just time to move on. Staying around throwing shit at each other on forums or w/e isn't going to make anything better anyway.

 

I’m not old enough to be part of the old crowd, but I believe I know where Unlucky is coming from. I was an old player on some other games previously, and the analogy of the trendy little bar is something that resonates very strongly with me. I’m not afraid to admit that, for one particular game, I was one of the angry crusading veterans.

But that was a different case. Back then the developers were blithering idiots who didn’t listen to the players (both old veterans and new blood alike). They took the game in a direction they wanted. Some changes were good. Others left us feeling deceived and cheated. Many old players left. Some new players got fed up too. There were those who stayed on, of course, and they accept the game for what it eventually became.

Some felt that us players deserved better, some believed “the developers had the right to screw their game up” and that we were free to quit if we didn’t like the way the game was going. Needless to say most of us in the former camp were veterans, the old guard who saw potential in this random game that was still in beta. We were the ones who invested time (and, for quite a few of us, money) to provide our feedback and game data for the game to grow and develop. We endured shitty game mechanics to see the game become something wonderful. We were the ones who know everything about the game inside out: the stats and number-crunching, the blatant exploits and cheap tricks. Surely we, the veterans, the ones who know the game better than the developers, deserve to be heard and respected?

(See where this is going?)

Unfortunately that’s not how things work. Not in that game, and definitely not here. In hindsight, the developers were not wrong in pursuing what they wanted. It’s their brainchild, their baby, and 900 hours of gaming—heck, no amount of time spent in-game would make my opinion matter more than the newbies’. If I didn’t like the game, I was free to quit, which I eventually did.

Back to Legends... nobody’s forcing us to play on Kim’s server. No server is perfect, but over here, there’s open communication between the Legends team and us players. The team isn’t afraid to admit that they made mistakes, and they discuss the future of the server with us. Granted, not every decision made by the team sat well with all of us, but they made what they believed was the best decision for the whole server. And if we who are invested in Legends want to see this server succeed, then we should all work together to make this server an enjoyable place for all players, old and new.

 

this is gonna sound cliche, and probably rude af (i don't intend for it to be rude at all; in content nor in tone), but if you go outside and smell some roses, you can probably see that it ain't actually that big of a deal tbh

to be bitter over the direction a game is going is just not v cool to yourself. it's totally fine to have opinions and to voice them, but if you are actually developing negative feelings over it... well, that just shouldn't be your jam, son.

it's nice that you're passionate about legends, even if it's in a way that could easily steer you towards the darker side of that passion (because this game really is the shit, flaws and all), but try not to let it get to ya

 

As an OG of the very first order (ML Beta player here). The changes to MapleLegends have been somewhat of a mixed bag. But all of them have served a purpose for one thing or another. Make Mushroom shrine less overpowered. Make Scrolls more available. Adding more end game content for those who blitzed through to the end. Make HP washing less of a pain. Add more quests.

In my opinion, despite the mixed bag of added content. The general change has been for the better. Not to screw over the old players. But to make it more of a welcoming but challenging experience. I like the few skill balances which have been made, even tho it's not GMS v.62 like. I like the addition of hunting gachapon tickets, even tho it made getting scrolls easier. I like the addition of Ulu, even tho it made grinding easier.
There's more choice. End game isn't stale anymore. Even tho I have done everything I wanted to do in MapleLegends. I will stick around to see what's changed more.

Another note; 'we' of the old guard OG did have a say in quite a few changes. The staff often may not have followed what we specifically wanted. But they listened to us. While those who 'started a week ago' won't have that priviledge.

 

when deciding to join MapleLegends, one of the first things i did was go to the forums to see what the community was like, features, criticisms, discussions, so forth. and the most glaring thing i noticed immediately was a bunch of lv 200 and high level players constantly attacking new changes or bitching and moaning towards others. it left a really sour taste in my mouth before i actually started playing and realized that this game does have a truly great community of players.

but some of you guys honestly hurt the product with this incessant entitled complaining. truly, what were you expecting to gain out of making this post? throwing petty analogies out isn't going to have anyone in your favors. how is anyone going to resonate with this pettiness? at some point you gotta move on. you arent garnering any sympathy or respect from the vast majority of people with posts like this

 

I think we all know why ML is awesome. No hackers. If there is.... I haven't seen one yet anyways, and that to me is a huge plus. I wouldn't care how good the content is, if there are players hacking why even try. IMO.

 

Hackers is kinda nostalgic tho. GMs plz allow hackzz

 

It is what it is my guy.

 

New player? I played in 2008 wut the matter if it’s diff server,anyway see you in ms2

 

anyone else member the ap reset cost reduction debacle, and when they said 'were not complaining about it being unfair', and that 'hp washing is rewarding and nostalgic, hence it should remain hard for people to do'. but then they eventually complained about their time being wasted and that they are not being compensated i.e. its not fair...
i loled

 

Insight my ass.

Anyway when I joined the server the fact that staff routinely appeared in game, were easily contactable and had a strict anti-cheating policy were all huge, huge boons in the server's favor. In MapleSEA 2007-2010 when I played GMs were a myth, hackers were rampant and you think anyone asked for your opinion on how the game should change? Fuck you, big bang patch is coming better get your anus ready.

It was enough evidence for me that staff cared and the group of older players who are so adamant on criticizing them are exaggerating big time. Nowadays all you're reduced to are memes and passive-aggression on the forums.i specifically remember last summer when some guy named Aero made a super paggro post, pretty much rallying a witchhunt against kim while calling it "constructive criticism". Boy am I glad I never had to play with such folk.

Thankfully, most of the new players who allegedly ruined this server have made it really fun to hang out in. Peace out.