Clarifying streamer giveaway/RWT guidelines

Hey just trying to get some clarification to make sure I have this right from everything that I've read for any future giveaways. Can any GM please advise if the below is correct, or what is not correct about it.

not bannable: hosting a giveaway for a bossing helm/item/service on twitch using a small/arbitrary amount of channel points or a twitch-bot giveaway event with no follow/sub requirement if everyone gets one entry per giveaway
bannable: hosting a giveaway for a bossing helm/item/service on twitch using a small/arbitrary amount of channel points or a twitch-bot giveaway event with no follow/sub requirement where you can gain multiple entries from channel points

not bannable: offering quest help for channel points, which has no monetization on either side of the "transaction".


not bannable: giving away free, low level items to anyone that requests it in the stream with no channel points, sub, or follow requirements.
bannable: giving away free, low level items to anyone (no sub/follow requirement) that requests it in the stream if there is a channel point system in place, regardless if it is 1 channel point that anyone can reach in literally 5 minutes on the stream or 1 million channel points that has to be farmed over time.

 

If you're worried about shenanigans going on, couldn't streamers just be transparent about their giveaways by posting on the forums the guidelines for them, like how artists must always post on the forums for their sales? That way the entire community can see it and choose to participate, plus the ML mods can check it out to see if its kosher. Of course this would mean self promoting on the ML forums but...I don't really see the issue in that tbh

 

What Tim said x2. If people are going to be permabanned for twitch missteps it'd be super helpful to know what is and what isn't allowed. I don't feel like getting banned for trying to help new players get work gloves or by trying to help people get free bossing helmets or quest help.

 

If I pay some1 to make art, and trade it for mesos this all of sudden is allowed? How could u check if I'm the one who created the art?

 

This is a much different rabbit hole to go down friend.


I'd still like an answer from staff if possible? @gm?

 

I actually think this might be the nail on the coffin for giveaways hosted through channel points, right? Giveaways through channel points directly violates both of Twitch's guidelines quoted above.

Now, is being concerned about following the rules ironic considering we're all streaming a private server? Probably. Is following U.S. laws and regulations for a hat giveaway on a mushroom game extreme overkill? Most definitely. These giveaways are all just benevolent players trying to give back to the community and I hate to poo-poo on their efforts. But I'm saying this more in a "We shouldn't put our GMs in a position to sanction something in writing that is probably illegal" way and less of a "Belle hates fun" way. I still think there are ways to host giveaways through streams, it just needs some tweaking and a lil extra effort.

 

This post is about more than giveaways and really any in game channel point interactions though. We can speculate all day but if staff is going to (and has in the past) ban people for twitch missteps having a definitive list of rules or guidelines outside from common sense - such as no trading subs/follows for meso - should be presented. Perma banning people for doing something they didn't know was wrong would be the fastest way to nuke the streaming community on this server.

Edit: there are also bots and other twitch related ways to do giveaways that do not use channel points at all that need to be addressed as well.

 

You guys don't have to use Channel Points to do giveaways, you guys can use the giveaway tab in Streamlabs where the viewers use !raffle or something to get logged into giveaway.

Idk, just thought this would better to use.

 

Once again.... I think all of us are aware there are bots and other sources for giveaways but that doesn't answer what is bannable and what isn't

 

Yep! Totally agreed on all points; having guidelines from GMs for ALL stream in-game interactions will help keep everyone feeling safe. I zeroed in on the giveaways because, in my opinion, these are the hardest to classify as bannable or non-bannable in their current form. I should have been more clear in the last sentence of my previous post: the way giveaways have been handled in the past might not be able to be sanctioned, but I think with a little extra work and tweaking, there are ways to host while abiding by both twitch and ML's rules.

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all love here! i quite enjoy watching your channel and hope to see a positive outcome of this thread.

 

What's the consensus on donations? If a really popular streamer plays this server one day and gets high amount donations while playing, is that considered bannable? No, right?

 

Because they earn their donations already by their own popularity and merit regardless of the game they play

Unlike someone who uses their in-game advantages in exchange of cash, who only got popular because they're giving out free stuff in game