Gachapon observations

Sure, the gacha-powered economy can be an issue. But it will go away when the server isn't so young and when we get to the point of being able to do frequent Zakum runs and things like that.

It has been addressed by nerfing gachapon. You said that that doesn't represent the underlying issues of gachapon but I'd challenge you to tell us a good way to combat this.

 

Outside of players who do nothing but gach and sit around, this is untrue. I have used 140 tickets, and made about 30m off of them. By training, I make between a 5-10m a day profit, and vastly more before accounting for potion costs. The vast, vast majority of my, and other players who actually train's income comes from actively playing the game.

The only major "best in slot" item that I can think of that comes exclusively from gachapon is the PAC/PGC, which is still extremely rare. Outside of that, all of the big time rewards from gachapon that I can think of can be obtained by other means as well.

I am entirely unsure as to how you're calculating this. Unless you go by and survey shop owners person by person, this seems to be an assumption with little ground to stand on.

 

getting to the point of being able to zak frequently is not the same as depending on zak for items, i'm not sure where you got that from
we will never be independent of gach and we weren't in gms either
i'm saying that when we get to that point, it will stop being an issue. i didn't say that it will go away
the mongols stopped being an issue in the 1330s but they are still here

 

people will have better things to worry about than some dumb gach

 

happened in every other v62 lowrate and happened in gms. i don't know of any evidence to disagree with it happening here

 

I do think gacha's are a problem. And there's something that should change.
An idea maybe: double/change the cost of gachapon tickets.

Less gachapon items in FM. Gachapon items will have more worth hence their rarity (look at shinobi bracer for example, there's more bracers then there are assassin's). A more steady economy without relying to much on gachapon. Ppl will think more about where to spend nx on.

I'd actually rather have a server dependant on the game item itself without dexless/lukless/etc builds that rely on outside money(votes)

Just an idea and I might be wrong. Just sharing my thoughts.

 

As previously stated by many other people. The servers economy kind of has gone bad, because of the amount people can Gacha... By the means of Gacha, youcan work into getting these godly equips and throw them straight onto the FM. Where's the fun in that, I think Gachapon should be tweaked with the items they throw out and percentage of chance they throw them out at.

Basically through 6 days you can earn an amount of 30,000 cash. This results in 35 Gachapon tickets, with the rate Gachapon throws out 35 tickets is more than enough to make yourself a hell of a lot of money, (all dependant on the items you get of course...) If it's not to be tweaked, I atleast think Gachapon should be a more expensive treat, especailly as Nx is given free and there's not really much else to spend it on. Yeah you can get cosmetics, but why would you do that first if you have the chance to make a load of easy money? My first 5 Gachapons gave me Stonetooth, YWG, and Crap. But that's still quite good (The sword and YWG.) It also depends on item stats as well. Would it be possible to edit the stats of the items it gives out? I feel the stats of items play a huge role in the prie and economy at the moment too.

I wouldn't say the economy is fine or great. I'd say it's pretty bad at the moment. The rich get richer really, (Scrolling items and selling them for high price, which no-one else can afford because they haven't had the opportunity to sell such items.)

Basically, I just think it should be rarer to get good items from Gachapon since it's now a 'free' service. Up the ratio of Elixirs and such.

 

No problem
Also, i came up with another idea that sounds pretty good to me!
Limit the gacha per account, per week. To a point where theres a stable economy that is not heavily dependant on gacha.
Then to compromise for this, host more GM events where you give class-specific Gacha rewards for 1-2-3rd place that are soulbound.

What do you think?

 

Yeah, I'd rather keep this thread to discussion simply because if we can all agree or even put to a vote on what can be done, and what can or will help the economy, much less than just gachapon itself.

But great work on getting opinions and such. I'd love to hear more opinions on this matter and possibly/eventually come to a conclusion.

Yeah, I understand that the item stats shouldn't be changed but it was simply a suggestion, I pretty much knew it wouldn't be taken into account considering the server is trying to be as GMS like as possible. However, I do think something should be done with Gacha since it's meant to be a paid advantage item.

 

Great topic you brought up for discussion. I'd say:

1. Make the Shrine Gachapon donor/event-reward/rare-monster-drop-exclusive. This would bring people to gach around Victoria Island with their vote cash.
2. Make the VIctorian gach give out Shrine tickets, at a small chance.
3. With 1 and 2 applied, it'd be neccesary to buff the Shrine gach with either higher chances to get good equipment or implementation of more items/scrolls.
4. Balance Victoria Island gachapon to give out a lot of crap and somewhat class specific equips.

The items being sold right now in FM really are mostly mushroom shrine gach items, and I see that as a major problem.

 

A lot of the suggestions here still don't deal with core issue (in my opinion), which is about gacha-exclusive items. Some of these suggestions I think might actually exacerbate the problem.

@David -- Many of the scrolls from gacha are not available ANYWHERE else... And many more are 'available' only through a 10% chance as a one-time quest reward.

 

Hmm. I don't think there's anything wrong with the way things are now. Sure, I guess on average there's more gash items in the economy per person that you'd find on GMS.

Is it unfair? Well, since anyone can get 5k nx a day just by voting, it isn't. If you want to spend all your nx on gash, that's up to you. If you want to spend a big chunk of that making your character look unique, or wasting smegas, that's also your decision.

Is that a bad thing in general? I wouldn't really say so. It's nice to give people opportunities to get those really rare scrolls and gears. And the items found aren't "I win buttons".