NL QoL: Increase Shadow Star's Duration Back to 3 Minutes

For bossing, Archer's main buff, SE, lines up at 5 min with two optional buffs, Focus and Soul Arrow. The only other buff that could use a duration tweak could be Phoenix. Booster doesn't affect Hurricane and I don't think people boss with Hamstring or Puppet unless it's CWK Pirate.

Edit: Apparently Booster does help with Hurricane's start up animation, and Hamstring can be useful for things like JC and Nameless.

An adjustment to Phoenix duration time could be viable. It would be a QoL to sync it up with SE, Focus, and Soul Arrow.

 

I understand if you disagree, but if you don’t have anything more substantial to say than joke ideas to misrepresent my suggestion and farm imaginary funny reacts for attention, I’d appreciate if you left the thread. I’m only interested in a productive discussion of feedback and thoughts, not memes. Thanks.

 

Thank you for your input. I did not consider the impacts to grinding macros like Shadow Star + Meso Up. In retrospect, I don't see why Meso Up shouldn't be increased to 3 minutes as well to line up with Booster and Shadow Partner.

That's a good point. Recasting Booster and Shadow Partner during boss downtime is a good way to maximise damage output. That would de-sync the buffs, even if they were all 3 min durations.

These impacts are very little. I would not consider them large benefits at all, and it's not what I'm asking for either. I don't see why it's such a problem to people that a Night Lord could receive a positive change. Again, by people's logic, if they feel Night Lord's QoL is too high to warrant a reasonable buff, do they also support the inverse? Should we nerf Night Lord QoL because they have it too good? I can restructure the proposal in this way:

Shadow Star duration increased from 120 seconds to 180 seconds.
Shadow Star star cost increased from 200 stars to 300 stars.
Ilbi Throwing-Star and Balanced Fury maximum capacity per slot decreased from 800 to 700 stars. (900 after Claw Mastery)
Magic Throwing Knife maximum capacity per slot decreased from 1200 to 1000 stars. (1200 after Claw Mastery)

Is this a more reasonable proposal? I think this is a fair suggestion as well. I just think the capacity should be a multiple of the amount Shadow Star takes so that there isn't a leftover.

 

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I would love to know why each of you disagreed. Frankly, I find the argument, "Night Lord's game play is already too easy for a QoL buff" very weak. I'd love to hear substantial, pursuasive feedback.

 

Yes. However, Shadow Partner can’t take 2/3 of a Summoning rock to compensate. Maybe if the price were reduced to 2/3 the cost.

 

Yes. I’m specifically curious if they have a reason for disagreeing besides the one I mentioned. I tagged them because they reacted without leaving a reply like I asked.

 

That’s a fair point. I was under the impression that this sort of change would not be a difficult one developer wise seeing as it has already been done in the past. Shadow Star duration changed in 2022 and 2021. Corsair’s bullet capacity also changed in 2022. Perhaps changing Shadow Star star cost would be more complicated*. I’d love to know from a developer whether they thought this was not worth pursuing. You nor I are developers so we can only speculate. I’m glad you can agree with me that juggling buff-timers is not engaging gameplay and not worth preserving.

*In the chance a change to Shadow Star star cost is more complicated than we think, an alternative would be to keep the cost at 200 as well as the capacity, and change star costs to match the average mesos/min on Shadow Star. Seeing as star cost changes has been done in the past, this can’t be too difficult.

 

I think I'll leave one last message before giving up on this suggestion. It seems like a lot of people are against improving NL QoL judging by the amount of disagrees. I don't really understand why people feel the need to justify an inconvenience as if it provided any more fun. It's not like the game would be more fun with worse QoL. Yes, it's something to pay attention to, but I would argue that we should be striving to pay attention to the gameplay interactions and not which buff is unknowingly missing. I think it says something when the best and most frequent argument here for keeping an inconvenience is engagement. Who can genuinely say they enjoy playing the game because finding out which buff is missing is fun?

Disregarding how easy Night Lords have it with their high avoid and simple play style, I believe every job across the board is entitled to the same QoL in sync'd up buff durations. I'd like for it to be considered rather than dismissed because of the stigma against NLs.

 

Did you even read my original post?

"there is no reason stated other than desire to change"
This would align the durations of Night Lords' three attack buff abilities.

"You're posturing the change as an improvement"

Don't take it from me, take it from Nise who referred to the change in 2021 as a change to accommodate players.
The only reason this change was reverted was because of the changes to address meso sinkage, which I addressed as well.

"if there is no justification outside of "just because""
The justification is that it aligns the three buff skills for Night Lords, making it more clear when a buff has ran out and making it easier to rebuff all three skills in one go.

You may disagree that this is a change worth pursuing, but arguing that it's not an improvement to QoL is so ridiculously delusional. I will never understand defending mismatched buff durations.